movie XI questions(Potential Spoilers)
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Orci seems knowledgable, so perhaps it was not his decision? it seems unusual to label any non film/tv show canon. Someone will correct me, but Jeri taylor's Voyager book was consider close to canonical, AFAIR
Which of course draws the very important and meaningful question...Well, a lot of it seemed empty, probably for storing minerals. Surely those grabby-tentacle things are for locking on to giant chunks of planet/asteroid? I like to think of it as the Romulan Red Dwarf.
Which Romulan was the Cat?
Actually, we know what the intent of the Narada was, based upon the fact that the filmwriters produced the story for the prequel comic, which showed Narada looking much more "normal" initially. The Narada was upgraded with captured Borg technology... it essentially "grew" into the form you see in the film, in an almost organic way. The Narada, as-built, was much smaller and much less powerful.
There's probably some small element of the original Romulan Narada inside that big chunk... and that's most likely where most of the action takes place. The "tentacle-y" bits are Romu-Borg, however.
Yeah, I'd be happy to ignore the Borg stuff, if the comic isn't really canon. Really, I could go either way with it. A Borgified mining ship seems so fanwanky... but I do like the idea of a Romulan Area 51.
Thing is though, if you're referring to the TrekMovie Q&A - even as they say that they backpedal a bit. Not only do they phrase "The comic is not canon?" as a question, making it a possibility rather than a ruling; they go on to say "The Countdown comic shows that the TNG timeline continues on after Spock’s death/disappearance", which makes sense as an answer only if Countdown, well, counts...
You cannot have it either way, unless some parts are and others are not. That seems to be a messy way to classify it.
Could not agree more. If I never heard the word "Borg" again, it'll be too soon.
in that alternate universe, why expect to see the Borg at any time in the 23d century?
The Borg were a really cool, really scary concept that got too many "magitech" powers and diluted as time went on, IMO.
I prefer to see them as Trek's version of zombies combined with a social commentary aspect on groupthink and the dangers of one's individuality being sublimated by the cult of personality, so to speak.
I really hope we never see them again. Ever. And if (please no) we do, I hope they are completely revamped. If we don't, and if there's no V'Ger incident in the altered universe, I think I know how to retcon them away...
We don't need to revamp the Borg, just keep them to what they were supposed to be in the first place: keep the ineffable hive mind with no interest in conquering people or domination, only interested in technology.
Which is weird, because in FC and Voyager they became the opposite of that: they didn't seem interested in technology at all, in fact the Borg Queen cooked up this entire time travel business just to assimilate Earth at a time when they had no technology of any kind.
If I were to redo the borg--even in the 23rd century--I'd recast them as something similar to the Reavers in "Firefly." They come and go, they don't talk to anyone, they don't even make threats, they just occasionally "get hungry" and suddenly a starship shows up in deep space with its engines and computer cores pulled off, the crew butchered and harvested for organs and vital tissue.
Which is weird, because in FC and Voyager they became the opposite of that: they didn't seem interested in technology at all, in fact the Borg Queen cooked up this entire time travel business just to assimilate Earth at a time when they had no technology of any kind.
If I were to redo the borg--even in the 23rd century--I'd recast them as something similar to the Reavers in "Firefly." They come and go, they don't talk to anyone, they don't even make threats, they just occasionally "get hungry" and suddenly a starship shows up in deep space with its engines and computer cores pulled off, the crew butchered and harvested for organs and vital tissue.
Yeah, the Reavers in "Firefly" were a GREAT concept... shame that the show didn't last longer, because I'd have loved to have seen them carried forward for several more seasons before we finally found out what was behind them (which, I thought, was a FANTASTIC concept, and very applicable to today IMHO).
The Narada, does it have a (Romulan) conventional AGS drive or a Federation M/A drive. I am asking because when the Red Matter was released from its containment, what happened to the artifical singularity?
That's a good question. If we go by the comics, I would guess something less exotic than the AGS before the Borg "conversion." It probably had one afterward, or, alternately, perhaps something more Borg-ish. However, if we accept that the Narada "really" always looked like that, and therefore the liklihood that she was designed for long-term deep-space mining missions, I would think AGS. Since red matter creates black holes, and an AGS is basically a black hole, perhaps it simply compounded the AGS and it was that which swallowed the ship.
Didn't someone suggest the Narada's mining function might have been "mining" (or, really capturing) tiny natural singularities for power useage? An intriguing idea...
Didn't someone suggest the Narada's mining function might have been "mining" (or, really capturing) tiny natural singularities for power useage? An intriguing idea...
Sat there radiating over the course of several decades, till eventually it blew up around the time Picard would have been born.
That's a stupid idea!
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That's a stupid idea!
Since Countdown is no longer "canonical", I suppose we just have to speculate. I would think the original drive on the Narada was a M/A warp drive, and Borgifying it would not really necessarily change the type of power source.. If we believe the comic, they would be mining valuable miinerals.
I would think primodial singularities, easy to detect but not too dangerous to approach and capture would be far too massive to be used in a Romulan ship.
Finally, what Do we canonically know about Borg ship propulsion, when not using a transwarp corridor?
Really the last sentence: do we have any quantifiable ideas on the ratio of AGS to Warpbird mass?
I would think primodial singularities, easy to detect but not too dangerous to approach and capture would be far too massive to be used in a Romulan ship.
Finally, what Do we canonically know about Borg ship propulsion, when not using a transwarp corridor?
Really the last sentence: do we have any quantifiable ideas on the ratio of AGS to Warpbird mass?
Okay, now... even if you totally reject the prequel comic, that says NOTHING about the nature of "red matter."
Why?
Because they show... IN THE FILM... Nero and company going into the "Jellyfish" (which is established, on-screen, as being Spock's ship... and ONLY pilotable by Spock) to collect "red matter."
And because they show, in the "meld flashback" that Spock had that "red matter" aboard to collapse the Hobus Nova.
Get it? The romulans had no "red matter" of their own. They only obtained it by getting it from the captured "Jellyfish." This is what's seen on-screen, so even if you 100% reject the comic, this is incontrovertable.
Why?
Because they show... IN THE FILM... Nero and company going into the "Jellyfish" (which is established, on-screen, as being Spock's ship... and ONLY pilotable by Spock) to collect "red matter."
And because they show, in the "meld flashback" that Spock had that "red matter" aboard to collapse the Hobus Nova.
Get it? The romulans had no "red matter" of their own. They only obtained it by getting it from the captured "Jellyfish." This is what's seen on-screen, so even if you 100% reject the comic, this is incontrovertable.
I have no problem with the Romulans not knowing how to make Red Matter from decalithum. We saw Red Matter in the movie, so only its function is a problem.
More from CGsociety, stating the Narada is 5 miles long and the Enterprise is 2357 feet long.
Seems to be that JJ has stardestroyer envy.