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Move Over, Multi-Vector Prometheus - Massena-class 1701-H

Wingsley

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Remember the prototype Starship Prometheus in VOY's "Message in a Bottle"? Well, a recent discussion thread in the TrekBBS Trek Tech forum prompted me to dig up some old artwork drawn years earlier that makes VOY's "multi-vector assault mode" starship concept look lame by comparison. I decided to share this artwork with all of you.

In the summer of 1989, long before I even dreamed of having an internet connection, I started a correspondence-by-snail-mail-and-phone with Michael Alexander of Solaris Designs in California. Mike and I would swap letters and phone calls about STAR TREK, art, science, computers, politics, and just about everything else under the sun. A few months after we started out dialogue, we both saw TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise" air for the first time. This episode, which I harshly criticized at the time ("I'm supposed to be dead..." Really? :rommie:) became a favorite can to kick around. The discussion of the ill-fated Enterprise-C drifted to what a "tomorrow's Enterprise" might look like.

There's where Prometheus came into the picture... sort of...

Within a few months, I draw up a vague concept for what I called the Enterprise-H, dubbed a Massena-class starship. Like the Promotheus seen on VOYAGER years later, this was a very advanced starship, capable of separating into three warp-capable sub-ships when needed. Here's my original, admittedly lame pencil artwork:

My_Original_Massena_Drawing.jpg


Lame and cheesey, eh?

Well, Mike worked his magic with it, and came up with this...

Solaris_Massena_26July1990.jpg


His signature at the bottom corner clearly indicates his drawing was made the 27th of July, 1990, almost 20 years ago. Seems like yesterday.

As I mentioned in the Trek Tech thread, The one issue I have with Prometheus is that not all three "ships" are equal. The "top" third seems pretty weak-looking, like some kind of escape ship. If you wanted a serious three-ships-in-one design, all three "ships" would have to be pretty much the same in terms of capacities, engines, weapons, etc. As it stands, 1+1+1 does not equal three with Prometheus. It looks more like 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/3.

Prometheus made me laugh. Years before VOY's "Message in a Bottle", I came up with Massena. As you can see above, Massena looked like a highly evolved Galaxy-class vessel. The stardrive section was very similar to the TNG Galaxy, but the saucer was very different. it was somewhat bulkier, and it split into two hemispheres, upper and lower. Each hemisphere-hull had built-in full-size warp nacelles, kinda like a cross between a Galaxy and a Defiant in terms of shape. The design was meant to be a successor to the Galaxy-class, like a "Galaxy II", where the three sets of warp engines that could alternately fire when rigged for sustained high-warp flight to maintain a higher top speed for a much longer period of time. Each "third" of a ship could operate independently for long periods of time, either exploring or for combat or other missions. So, you would really have three starships in one. Kinda makes poor Prometheus look lame.

The ribbing along the front of the two "saucers" are not windows. They are a combination energy array, like a cross between a navigational deflector and a phaser bank.

Much as I love my Massena concept, and believe it to be superior to Prometheus, I will be the first to admit it looks awkward and needs some serious work. My thought is that the saucer should split more evenly, so that the "upper" and "lower" hemispheres are more evenly divided. The warp nacelles for the upper hemisphere could be shifted down so they would be directly above the lower hemisphere; instead of being located on the outer rim of the saucer they could be move inboard a bit. I would also like to see the "aft hull" below reshaped to be more strongly reminiscent of the old Galaxy-class.

I guess the reason I posted this here is that it's been years since I corresponded with Mike. The end of the Cold War disrupted his aerospace work and changed his whole life. I have not been able to contact him for quite a while. Mike and I used to use each other for sounding boards all the time. So when the correspondence stopped, the drawings just sat there and gathered dust. Helluva shame.

Now, I'm sharing these images here today because Mike and I used to spread this stuff around in snail-mail rings, back when "high tech" meant word processing, laser printers and photocopiers. I was wondering if anyone here would want to tinker with the Massena and bring her into the internet age. If anyone wants to try, please, by all means have at it!
 
I was writing an entire essay but basicly it comes down to this:

First of all: Cool sketch, certainly if you realise it's from the early 90's. :)

Second: 6 nacelles on 1 giant ship that can split in 3 separate ships and call it an Enterprise, it is... dare I say it: a bit fanboy? :evil:
 
While it might be admittedly funny to see a concept you thought up on the big screen, I find this... not so elegant. Those exposed six pair of nacelles cobble up the complete shape. If your design had blended them together until seperated, I might have given you atleast a bit of credit with coming up with something so cool so long ago. But now... Meh. Even if this was before fanboy... it still is.
 
Hmmm... What about the Prometeus prototype and the whole "Message in a Bottle" episode of VOY? Wasn't that the ultimate expression of fanboy ever seen in TREK?
 
It was, and the whole ep didn't make a lot of sense story- and treknological wise, but the Prometheus itself didn't look as if it was made of three self sustaining vessels, as we've seen four nacelled ships before and the saucer nacelles were tucked away and not easy noticable. Your ship looks like a Defiant stacked on top of a miranda, which was then glued to a Galaxy secondary hull.

So... sorry, to me these are three independent vessels, while the Prometheus was clearly a single vessel.
 
As fanboyish as it is, I have to admit... I actually don't mind this design... as far as fanwank uberships go, this is the nicest-looking one I've seen. :)

Solaris_Massena_26July1990.jpg
 
I'm no starship designer or any other vehicle designer for that matter, but imo if you shrunk the four saucer nacelles down a bit and merged them into the hull to look less pronounced, then I think they'd go quite nicely with the ship.
 
Hmmm...

This was before DS9 made its debut, so the concept of armored nacelles built-into the ship's hull had not occurred to us at that point. One of the points of this project would be for the three hulls to each use the same type of nacelle; I think we may have called them LN-160s. If I were to revisit the project (I don't have access to Mike's drawing skills anymore), the LN-160s could easily be a large version of the nacelles seen on Sisko's Defiant, but that would mean all three hulls would be equipped the same type of nacelles including the aft hull.

The purpose of this project was not to produce just another fanboy-kickass starship with six nacelles, but to imagine a "future generation" 25th century Enterprise-H that could possibly open up new frontiers through higher sustainable warp factors. (Each pair of LN-160s would fire up briefly at full power and then shut down, passing on the burden to another pair, 1-2-3, 1-2-3... doing this for long periods of time to achieve far greater range.) The ship was supposed to be meant as more than just three-frigates-in-one kickass attack ship; it was supposed to be the Galaxy II class, or the Galaxy class done right. So each hull can act as its own fully independent mini-cruiser, with its own personnel stationed more or less permanently aboard, and yet while the three hulls are "joined" as one large ship, Massena would represent an uber-Galaxy-type extra-large explorer. Think of it as being sprung from the same kind of mentality that gave birth to the "ultimate" evolution of super-technology that the Federation was striving for when they sponsored Daystrom's M-5. Given that the LN-160 could very well be derived from the Defiant, and the Defiant herself seems to represent a kind of "ultimate" Federation warship, this would seem to fall in line with what the Federation was tinkering with during the DS9 and maybe post-DS9 eras.

I don't have any 3D modeling skills or software, so I'm not sure I would be able to revive a project like this and do it justice. If anyone else would like to give it a try, they're welcome to. For me, it's all about pencil and paper.
 
I'd love to see this idea explored a bit more! I never liked how fragile the Prometheus looked, and although this design needs some refinement, the structure looks more reasonable for a multi-hull ship.
 
Woah... Was this seriously six and a half years ago? Hot damn...
That being said: one hell of a necropost you got there mate! You might want to read up on the rules a bit ;)
 
As the O.P., since Aeronaex has a similar project brewing (a new starship design), I have no objections.

The Massena-class starship concept, proposed by me and drawn by Mike back in the early 1990s as a reaction to TNG's "Yesterday's Enterprise" (this caused me to wonder what tomorrow's Enterprise might look like), was supposed to be a major step in Federation starship engineering and conceptual design in the Prime Universe, post-TNG. Massena was supposed to be the early, rudimentary beginnings of advanced Federation starships slowly evolving into intergalactic vessels.

There was no further development on the concept since that time.

I posted this thread because I wanted to see if anyone would like to take a crack at either making this design in 3D or continuing to evolve the concept. Call it a "fanboy" concept, and I'll plead guilty-as-charged, but I still love it.

NOTE: Massena is not an über-battleship like Prometheus. She is instead meant to be a direct, though perhaps distant, descendant of the TNG Galaxy-class starship. Her excessive nacelles are meant to improve her longevity and range in deep space more than her ability to separate and perform in combat.
 
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