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Most Realistic Psychopath Acting Performance

Mojochi

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There sure are a lot of tv/movie psychopath characters to pick from. Which do you think is the one that rings most true to what real psychopaths are like

For me... Nothing has ever given me chills or touched such a realistic tone as Kathy Bates' Annie Wilkes in Misery. She touches damn near every angle of mentally unstable, and in such a specific kind of way that is clearly rooted in observable behaviors
 
I have a soft spot (of sorts) for Andrew Robinson in Dirty Harry. It's probably not realistic, per se, but my God what a take on it.

Edit: The other main choice is Christian Bale as Patrick Bateman, but I don't know that pinning him down to a psychopath is really what that character is about.
 
Angela Lansbury as Jessica Fletcher.

The Greatest Serial Killer of All.

On a more serious note, there is an excellent article on Cracked about Movies' Psychopath



6 Mental Illness Myths Hollywood Wants You to Believe

In Hollywood, nobody has more fun than a murdering lunatic. Whether you're the Joker, Hannibal Lecter, the Sheriff of Nottingham or Scar from The Lion King, you're typically the most erudite, charming and interesting person in the room.


Moviemakers love the idea of a sociopath brutally murdering people one minute and making hilarious observational comments the next, so it comes as no surprise that these characters are often times the most endearing people in the entire damn film. They even went so far as to essentially turn Hannibal into a Batman-like vigilante in Hannibal Rising, fully embracing the fact that every audience was going to root for him anyway.


Then, Showtime took the next logical step and cast a sociopath as the hero in Dexter.

Why It's Bullshit:

First, in movies the terms "psychotic" and "sociopath" are traded more often than genital infections at Flava Flav's house. But psychotic behavior is when someone attacks the mayor because Satan appeared on a box of Crunch Berries and told them to do it. Sociopathic behavior is when someone lies, doesn't feel bad about it and can't understand why anyone else would.



People who suffer from anti-social personality disorder (the closest thing in real life to a Hollywood "sociopath") almost always come from backgrounds where they're barely given enough to eat, let alone a well-rounded cultural education. Generally speaking, they aren't charming, aren't educated, aren't even particularly bright and couldn't come up with a devious scheme to save their boring ass lives. Most of them aren't even violent.

And it's actually pretty hard to rise to the top of your field if you have the typical sociopath's problems relating to other human beings. Yes, even in politics. So while Hannibal Lecter is a world-class sophisticate, a brilliant doctor and the epitome of old world charm and grace, the average real world sociopath is an isolated failure that spends his lunch breaks from Pizza Hut scribbling obscenities on the condom machine in the bathroom at the Shell station.
 
^Good point. If we want to define realistic portrayals of psychopathy, we need to understand what real psychopathy is like, and it's actually hugely different from how it's portrayed in TV and film.

There's a checklist that's generally used to diagnose psychopathic behavior, and it includes the following symptoms (which may occur to a greater or lesser degree):

Factor 1

Facet 1: Interpersonal

Facet 2: Affective

  • Lack of remorse or guilt
  • Emotionally shallow
  • Callous/lack of empathy
  • Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Factor 2

Facet 3: Lifestyle


  • Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
  • Parasitic lifestyle
  • Lack of realistic, long-term goals
  • Impulsivity
  • Irresponsibility
Facet 4: Antisocial

  • Poor behavioral controls
  • Early behavioral problems
  • Juvenile delinquency
  • Revocation of conditional release
  • Criminal versatility

    Other items

  • Many short-term marital relationships
  • Promiscuous sexual behavior
By those standards, I'd say that Dr. Gregory House would qualify as a psychopath, as would Sherlock's version of Sherlock Holmes, and probably a fair number of other such antiheroes in modern TV. After all, not all psychopaths are criminals or murderers. A lot of these traits, like superficial charm, skill at manipulating people, lack of empathy and remorse, and lack of responsibility, can be assets in fields like business or politics or show business.
 
Edit: The other main choice is Christian Bale as Patrick Bateman, but I don't know that pinning him down to a psychopath is really what that character is about.

Especially when, at least with the film (I've never read the book), there's a genuine argument to be made that much or all of American Psycho is simply a revenge fantasy going on inside Bateman's head.
 
^Good point. If we want to define realistic portrayals of psychopathy, we need to understand what real psychopathy is like, and it's actually hugely different from how it's portrayed in TV and film.

There's a checklist that's generally used to diagnose psychopathic behavior, and it includes the following symptoms (which may occur to a greater or lesser degree):

Factor 1

Facet 1: Interpersonal

Facet 2: Affective

  • Lack of remorse or guilt
  • Emotionally shallow
  • Callous/lack of empathy
  • Failure to accept responsibility for own actions

Factor 2

Facet 3: Lifestyle


  • Need for stimulation/proneness to boredom
  • Parasitic lifestyle
  • Lack of realistic, long-term goals
  • Impulsivity
  • Irresponsibility
Facet 4: Antisocial

  • Poor behavioral controls
  • Early behavioral problems
  • Juvenile delinquency
  • Revocation of conditional release
  • Criminal versatility

    Other items

  • Many short-term marital relationships
  • Promiscuous sexual behavior

Going by that: Kathryn Janeway.

Even more so, the Doctor in Nu Who, and indeed River Song.
 
^^ That list describes almost every 17yo male I ever had the pleasure to teach. :lol:

(I kid. I kid. Mostly. ;))

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on topic: One of the early Criminal Minds cliffhangers had a killer named Frank that was played with perfect dispassion by Keith Carradine.
 
Going by that: Kathryn Janeway.

I wouldn't say that. The whole premise of the show was based on Janeway taking responsibility for her actions, i.e. sacrificing her crew's trip home in order to protect the Ocampa from the danger she'd placed them in. And she was definitely racked by guilt and a sense of responsibility for how that decision affected her crew. Maybe there were some cases in later seasons where she was written inconsistently and made some questionable decisions, but taken as a whole, I don't think it fits.

Gul Dukat is an illustrative example. For the first five and a half seasons of DS9, I'd say he qualified pretty well as a more or less realistic psychopath (at least by the Factor 1 parameters), and in the final season and a half, he turned into a "psychopath" in the way the term is usually, incorrectly used in the media.
 
^Good point. If we want to define realistic portrayals of psychopathy, we need to understand what real psychopathy is like, and it's actually hugely different from how it's portrayed in TV and film.

There's a checklist that's generally used to diagnose psychopathic behavior....

Based on that checklist I'd probably also throw Tony Soprano into the mix.
 
Gul Dukat is an illustrative example. For the first five and a half seasons of DS9, I'd say he qualified pretty well as a more or less realistic psychopath (at least by the Factor 1 parameters), and in the final season and a half, he turned into a "psychopath" in the way the term is usually, incorrectly used in the media.

Dukat's a great example, and it's a shame the show's writers warped him into Hitler-like levels of villainy as if viewers were too dumb to understand that, despite his charisma and complexity, Gul Dukat is not a good guy.

I found him a fascinating character because he could always live with the contradictions between his purported beliefs and his actions, and you could believe that people followed and trusted him.
 
^^ That list describes almost every 17yo male I ever had the pleasure to teach. :lol:

(I kid. I kid. Mostly. ;))

Remember that episode of WKRP where the guest on Bailey's public affairs show launched into a long explanation of how, in his expert opinion, all children are clinically insane? :lol:
 
Dukat's a great example, and it's a shame the show's writers warped him into Hitler-like levels of villainy as if viewers were too dumb to understand that, despite his charisma and complexity, Gul Dukat is not a good guy.

I found him a fascinating character because he could always live with the contradictions between his purported beliefs and his actions, and you could believe that people followed and trusted him.

The thing is, he was Hitler-like before. Hitler wasn't a raving fanatic; he never could've gained power unless he'd been able to charm people and convince them he was reasonable. Our image of Hitler comes from the ferocious speeches he gave, but those served a specific purpose, and he wasn't like that 24 hours a day. There's footage of him hosting guests at his mountain villa or whatever, and he seems like a quite friendly, civil host. He almost certainly was a psychopath to an extreme degree, but he learned how to put on a plausible pretense of social skills.

So the change they made to Dukat actually made him less like Hitler and more like, well, a movie caricature of Hitler, or of your generic black-hat fanatical villain.
 
Dukat's a great example, and it's a shame the show's writers warped him into Hitler-like levels of villainy as if viewers were too dumb to understand that, despite his charisma and complexity, Gul Dukat is not a good guy.

I found him a fascinating character because he could always live with the contradictions between his purported beliefs and his actions, and you could believe that people followed and trusted him.

The thing is, he was Hitler-like before. Hitler wasn't a raving fanatic; he never could've gained power unless he'd been able to charm people and convince them he was reasonable. Our image of Hitler comes from the ferocious speeches he gave, but those served a specific purpose, and he wasn't like that 24 hours a day. There's footage of him hosting guests at his mountain villa or whatever, and he seems like a quite friendly, civil host. He almost certainly was a psychopath to an extreme degree, but he learned how to put on a plausible pretense of social skills.

So the change they made to Dukat actually made him less like Hitler and more like, well, a movie caricature of Hitler, or of your generic black-hat fanatical villain.

Right, I should have clarified that they turned him into the caricature we tend to see as Hitler, since you are correct: the real Hitler was also incredibly charismatic and well-liked at the time, and it's only with the hindsight of history that we've morphed him into an inhuman monster. We don't like to believe humans are capable of such cruelty, so we dehumanize our villains.

Likewise, Dukat was made into a shallow imitation of himself just so it would be clear to even the dumbest viewer that he's Evil.
 
The difference between Dukat and Hitler is that Dukat wanted to be loved by his victims and Hitler just wanted them to die. I'm remembering that conversation he had with Weyoun about how a true victory is to make your enemies believe they were wrong to oppose you in the first place. Dukat would rather be praised by his enemy than kill his enemy.

Now that I think about it, Tony Soprano is an extremely realistic psychopath.
 
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