Most Powerful Beings in Trek
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I'll throw in the Prophets. They seem weaker than most powerful beings to some, but they have a game changing technology.
Trelene- he created planets just for the fun of it, as part of the 'game' he was playing with Kirk.
Possibly humans--for some reason Q claims they might possible evolve beyond the Q.
Organians- they have those cool biblical powers, like appearing in two places at the same time.
Trelene- he created planets just for the fun of it, as part of the 'game' he was playing with Kirk.
Possibly humans--for some reason Q claims they might possible evolve beyond the Q.
Organians- they have those cool biblical powers, like appearing in two places at the same time.
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Tough one; the Q can make anything happen by snapping their fingers but not if Robau breaks them off first.
Kevin Uxbridge was a Douwd in the Survivors. Q didn't seem to concerned about being right next to the Prophets while on DS9, so I doubt he had much to fear from them.
I just re-watched the ep with the Douwd. Yeah, very powerful, but Q has them beat, no question.
If we are talking about on screen, its the Q. The power of the Q appears limitless in the series and the only thing we ever that can stop a Q is another Q.
If we are talking about the expanded universe (the books) then it becomes a tie between the entity from the Omega Continuum or the only child born of two Q.
If we are talking about the expanded universe (the books) then it becomes a tie between the entity from the Omega Continuum or the only child born of two Q.
"Them" are more powerful then the Q or Omega.
Q. No doubt about it. Throughout TNG, it is understood that none is more powerful than they are...and no one is shown to be either.
Well, books don't count, since they're non-canon. If we're just going on canon material, then, not necessarily in any order:
A) Q
B) Edo god
C) Nagilum
D) Prophets
E) Pah-Wraiths
F) Trelane
G) Organians
H) Douwd
I) Metrons
J) Gary Mitchell (enhanced)
K) Charlie Evans (enhanced)
L) Thasians
M) race from "And the Children Shall Lead" (don't recall their name)
Honorable mentions: Travelers, Borg, Crystalline Entity, Calamarain, Paxans, Tin Man, Nomad, Species 8472, Armus, Voth, Changelings, Cytherians, Admiral Quinn (enhanced), Kelvans, and Data and Lore, though the honorable mentioned are absolutely pathetic in strength compared to B-M, and B-M are pathetic in strength compared to the Q.
I forgot the Companion, the Krenim, Apollo, advanced Kes, and the El-Aurians. The Companion would probably be listed low on the upper-tier list, and if not, high on the honorable mentions. The Krenim would probably go high on the honorable mentions list. Apollo would go somewhere in the honorable mentions list. Advanced Kes would surely go on the upper-tier list, and El-Aurians would be amongst the honorable mentions.
Also, Gary Mitchell and Charlie Evans could arguably go on the honorable mentions list, due to their physicality. However, I put them above that due to their ease in manipulating matter, which is hardly a small accomplishment, and makes them scary foes to nearly any Star Trek being.
A) Q
B) Edo god
C) Nagilum
D) Prophets
E) Pah-Wraiths
F) Trelane
G) Organians
H) Douwd
I) Metrons
J) Gary Mitchell (enhanced)
K) Charlie Evans (enhanced)
L) Thasians
M) race from "And the Children Shall Lead" (don't recall their name)
Honorable mentions: Travelers, Borg, Crystalline Entity, Calamarain, Paxans, Tin Man, Nomad, Species 8472, Armus, Voth, Changelings, Cytherians, Admiral Quinn (enhanced), Kelvans, and Data and Lore, though the honorable mentioned are absolutely pathetic in strength compared to B-M, and B-M are pathetic in strength compared to the Q.
I forgot the Companion, the Krenim, Apollo, advanced Kes, and the El-Aurians. The Companion would probably be listed low on the upper-tier list, and if not, high on the honorable mentions. The Krenim would probably go high on the honorable mentions list. Apollo would go somewhere in the honorable mentions list. Advanced Kes would surely go on the upper-tier list, and El-Aurians would be amongst the honorable mentions.
Also, Gary Mitchell and Charlie Evans could arguably go on the honorable mentions list, due to their physicality. However, I put them above that due to their ease in manipulating matter, which is hardly a small accomplishment, and makes them scary foes to nearly any Star Trek being.
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One of the things that I liked about the Novel, the Buried Age, was the suggestion that there was a realm where all of these no coporeal entities exist. Most of them have little or no interest in our small existence, but the Q were known for slumming with the mortals.
One of the weird things about the Q is the idea that there are certain things that they cannot do. In All Good Things, Picard says that he does not believe that Q has the power to erase humans from existence. Its significant because the story implies that Q could not fix the damage to the timeline once it occurred...only Picard to fix it. Its even more relevant because Q himself says ADMITS tht it was his fault that the problem occurred in the first place. One would expect that if Q, as was shown, was responsible for creating a problem that in effect erased all life in the galaxy, why couldn't he fix it. Its possible that his anti-time anomaly eventually grew so large that it erased the Q as well. However, the fact that he needed Picard to rectify the problem is significant. The Q have never been shown to be adverse to intervention. So why not fix the problem...unless he couldn't.
The Borg are another issue entirely. The Q are self centered and arrogant in the extreme, but they seemed to have no love for the Borg. Why not simply eliminate them? They don't even have to destroy them, just eliminate the collective. This is where the Caeliar, perhaps unintentionally, make a lot of sense in explaining the continued menace of the Borg. The Caeliar are shown to be exceptionally powerful. If a Caeliar were at the heart of the Borg, it might explain why the Q could not simply eliminate the threat (although, one wonders why The Federation...Janeway or Picard...ever asks Q to deal with the obvious threat to all life in the galaxy).
One of the weird things about the Q is the idea that there are certain things that they cannot do. In All Good Things, Picard says that he does not believe that Q has the power to erase humans from existence. Its significant because the story implies that Q could not fix the damage to the timeline once it occurred...only Picard to fix it. Its even more relevant because Q himself says ADMITS tht it was his fault that the problem occurred in the first place. One would expect that if Q, as was shown, was responsible for creating a problem that in effect erased all life in the galaxy, why couldn't he fix it. Its possible that his anti-time anomaly eventually grew so large that it erased the Q as well. However, the fact that he needed Picard to rectify the problem is significant. The Q have never been shown to be adverse to intervention. So why not fix the problem...unless he couldn't.
The Borg are another issue entirely. The Q are self centered and arrogant in the extreme, but they seemed to have no love for the Borg. Why not simply eliminate them? They don't even have to destroy them, just eliminate the collective. This is where the Caeliar, perhaps unintentionally, make a lot of sense in explaining the continued menace of the Borg. The Caeliar are shown to be exceptionally powerful. If a Caeliar were at the heart of the Borg, it might explain why the Q could not simply eliminate the threat (although, one wonders why The Federation...Janeway or Picard...ever asks Q to deal with the obvious threat to all life in the galaxy).
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Do the evil superbeings ascend to a higher plain? Do we know how any of them were created?
Q by far. Gary Mitchell was taken out by Kirk so we will never know his full potential. Most of the superpowers in the original series were also found to have some hidden power source that could be damaged.
As far as the Q vs Borg debate, while I haven't read the book in a while, the concept that the Borg would one day figure out how to assimilate the Borg seemed more like arrogance to me than an actual threat. I tend to believe that the Q play with the Borg similar to any other race but when the chips were down, they could make the entire race go bye-bye with a snap of the fingers. It's hard to assimilate someone when they can erase you from existence in an instant (or even in the past for that matter, as Q clearly can jump around in time at will and without any effort).
As far as the Q vs Borg debate, while I haven't read the book in a while, the concept that the Borg would one day figure out how to assimilate the Borg seemed more like arrogance to me than an actual threat. I tend to believe that the Q play with the Borg similar to any other race but when the chips were down, they could make the entire race go bye-bye with a snap of the fingers. It's hard to assimilate someone when they can erase you from existence in an instant (or even in the past for that matter, as Q clearly can jump around in time at will and without any effort).
Hmm, I just reread Gotham Central's comment about the Q's inability to eliminate the human race. I'll have to re-watch All Good Things. I actually got the impression that the episode was yet another test for Picard/humanities benefit and that the Q could have stopped it or changed it at any time. Even if the above is true, it still doesn't convince me that the Borg are or would become an actual threat for the Q, but it is interesting (if a bit weird) that the Q wouldn't posses the power to eliminate humanity if necessary. Perhaps their inability to stop what is happening is the result of some sort of odd rule in the continuum as compared to a limit in their abilities?!? (Of course, given the arbitrary nature of the Q's meddling, this doesn't seem to satisfying either).
Ok, I have now decided that in truth, the comment that the WRITERS were the most powerful entities in the Trek universe to be the truth.
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Ok, I have now decided that in truth, the comment that the WRITERS were the most powerful entities in the Trek universe to be the truth.
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The whole thing about All Good Things... was that it was a test to see if after 7 years Picard and, by extension, Humans had grown just a little bit. Q said they were to be denied existence, and by showing primordial Earth and how the anomaly prevented the amino acids on Earth from joining was to show that just Earth was the target and Picard was only given a few days to solve the puzzle while Q handed him some pieces hoping to get him to see the picture before Humanity disappeared.
The Q like, the Prophets, I believe see time as one. No past, no present, no future, but unlike the Prophets they understand past, present and future. To the Q there is no difference between any two or more pints in time. Taking Picard to the past and showing him Humanity's demise means that Picard should no longer be around. The past by our point of view has happened. Humans no longer exist, yet they do in the future. Q or the Continuum were maintaining Humans to see if they, more specifically Picard, could solve the riddle.
The allotted time given to figure out the riddle was never mentioned. I tend to believe that once the anomaly was to big for the past Enterprise to reach the center would have been when the Q stopped protecting Humans and allowed their demise. The Q would then close the fissure and the let the other races continue.
The Q could have stopped it by simply changing the frequency of one of the three pulses scanning the anomaly. Then again, they never started it. Picard did or more logically, Data did.
The Q like, the Prophets, I believe see time as one. No past, no present, no future, but unlike the Prophets they understand past, present and future. To the Q there is no difference between any two or more pints in time. Taking Picard to the past and showing him Humanity's demise means that Picard should no longer be around. The past by our point of view has happened. Humans no longer exist, yet they do in the future. Q or the Continuum were maintaining Humans to see if they, more specifically Picard, could solve the riddle.
The allotted time given to figure out the riddle was never mentioned. I tend to believe that once the anomaly was to big for the past Enterprise to reach the center would have been when the Q stopped protecting Humans and allowed their demise. The Q would then close the fissure and the let the other races continue.
The problem is that at the end of the episode Q admits that he got Picard into that peculiar situation to begin with. He accepts a bit of fault for the problem that Picard has to solve. Not only that, but that moment at the dawn of life on Earth showed that the anomaly had grown the encompass the entire quadrant of the Galaxy. That suggests that it was a threat to more than just humanity but to every living thing in the galaxy (or for that matter ultimately in existence).
Assuming that's the case, then it becomes an even bigger problem for more advanced races since the anomaly would have impacted their species long before they evolved into their advanced phase.
Except Q specifically states that Humanity, not Vulcan or any other race, Humanity is to be denied existence. The Anomaly may have had no effect on any other life bearing world, or Earth would not have produced life until later in its history and some other Earth creature may be wandering the stars in the 23rd & 24th Centuries.
What about the producers/Writers of the Voyager show? They made the Q lazy and sent in the Voyager team to the Q continuum with phasers and were able to defeat them I believe. I'm going on bad memory, so someone will have to fix that 
The episode was bad. They did to the Q what they initially did to the Borg.
The episode was bad. They did to the Q what they initially did to the Borg.Similar threads
