Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
The most obviously stupid thing about these kind of shows is that they will have enough footage to have a full season all the time. They never have to say "Sorry...no show this week as we just didn't find any ghosts!"
"Most Haunted" - One Thing I Never Understood
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Most Haunted is great entertainment, I'll give it that. Especially when Derek "Effeminate Scouse Gobshite" Acorah was still around.
Thespeckledkiwi
Vice Admiral
This shows hurt the legitimacy of real ghost hunters.
You don't need to "expose" ghost shows as being fake, there's no such thing as ghosts so it being fake is a natural assumption
Well, depends on the "kind of fake" we're talking about. Manufactured/scripted fake as-in Most Haunted or is it the mis-reading evidence and misuing equipment kind of fake as is the case in Ghost Hunters?
Well, if you're going to devote your time to "chasing" things that aren't there you deserve all the hurt you get.
Thespeckledkiwi
Vice Admiral
Define: not there...
Next you'll be acting like cryptozoologists, and fortean investigators lack legitimacy, too....
You need me to explain "not there"?
Well, ya know, you could mean 'not there' as in they went on holiday that week...
Well, so much for my dating life!
Thespeckledkiwi
Vice Admiral
There are things, as I have mentioned, that aren't 'seen' but can be felt.
While I hate shows like Most Haunted and Ghost Hunters, I do believe there are paranormal phenomenons that are documented, like ghosts and poltergeists, that are real but 'aren't there' as you mentioned.
Nardpuncher
Rear Admiral
OK, well how about don't exist? Of course that doesn't apply if you want to consider fictional stories about ghosts as 'existing'.
I would say not proven to exist. Not every story about ghosts is fictional (or true), but the thousands (if not millions) that do exist show a lot of consistency as far as what features ghosts are supposed to have. If we're to assume that every single one of those stories is either a deliberate lie or a misidentification of a natural phenomenon, I would expect there to be a lot more variation and a lot of inconsistencies in them. I prefer strong evidence myself, and I'm not convinced that it's been found yet (if it's there to find). But I keep an open mind, because I think it's stupid to assume we know everything.
We have no evidence to support the existence of life elswhere in the universe. The possibility is only valid because life exists here, and presently our means of searching for it are so primitive that we're unlikely to find any viable evidence for a long time. We're pretty much dependent on having some other sentient culture contact us to prove they exist, because we sure as hell can't search for them directly. Should we assume therefore that SETI is a waste of time and money? That its researchers are employed on a pipe dream for things that don't exist? Probably not, even with the slim chance of finding something meaningful.
We have no evidence to support the existence of life elswhere in the universe. The possibility is only valid because life exists here, and presently our means of searching for it are so primitive that we're unlikely to find any viable evidence for a long time. We're pretty much dependent on having some other sentient culture contact us to prove they exist, because we sure as hell can't search for them directly. Should we assume therefore that SETI is a waste of time and money? That its researchers are employed on a pipe dream for things that don't exist? Probably not, even with the slim chance of finding something meaningful.
On the subject of Most Haunted, is that show still on the air? I mean, after clips proving the show is faked leaked onto the Internet, I would assume that people would wise up.
I'm personally waiting for Chip Coffee who appears often on Paranormal State to be exposed in the same way. I can't figure out how the cast fails to crack up at some of the crap he says. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J42QKqo_O5w&feature=related
I'm personally waiting for Chip Coffee who appears often on Paranormal State to be exposed in the same way. I can't figure out how the cast fails to crack up at some of the crap he says. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J42QKqo_O5w&feature=related
I agree. I am definitely open minded and believe in ghosts, etc., but one of the things that I LOVE about Ghost Hunters is how they actively try to debunk everything.
I swear, the creepiest episode of this show was the one where they were in the spot where the Manson murders happened. Creeped the fuck out of me!!!
I like that they do try to find rational explanations for things - but I don't care for how they play up personal experiences on the show by, for example, having someone talk for a few minutes about how he/she got cold in a particular room, or felt a hand on their shoulder. If it's not something that can be shown to the television viewers, it should be minimized.
But then the show would be pretty short!
Thespeckledkiwi
Vice Admiral
fictional stories? Why yes there are some but there are truly others that cannot be explained. Again, I hate what Most Haunted and Ghost Hunters have done to the paranormal community and making them seem worse then what they are.
Given the context of my post, I think you know exactly what I meant by "not there".
Frankly, it's all bollocks. People just believe whatever makes them feel better.
Thespeckledkiwi
Vice Admiral
Do you realize that there are two different types of phenomenons surrounding spirits? There is one, poltergeists and there is another, ghosts.
There is a lot, and some of it actually is interesting theories on why there are ghosts. I definitely believe in supernatural phenomenons like this after speaking to a few people that have had...experiences with things they couldn't explain.
