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Most annoying Starfleet munchkin

Most annoying Starfleet munchkin?

  • Wesley

    Votes: 33 43.4%
  • Jake

    Votes: 5 6.6%
  • Nog

    Votes: 6 7.9%
  • Icheb

    Votes: 12 15.8%
  • Naomi

    Votes: 20 26.3%

  • Total voters
    76

Renvar

Lieutenant Commander
Red Shirt
EDIT: New poll is up, check it out here!

Since there wasn't really any annoying kids in TOS (that I recall), this'll just be for TNG, DS9, and VOY. Who is the most annoying?

Personally I'm going with Naomi. Wesley is a close contender, granted, but I really think it was more along the lines of what they did with his character more than the character himself. He gets points for being angsty though. Naomi OTOH, had this indescribable out-of-placeness. Every time they used her character, it always seemed forced to me. Plus she was really chipper, which was kind of off-beat with a lot of the episodes she was in.
 
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I couldn't vote in your poll, because the correct answer, of course, is: Molly effing O'Brien.
 
OMG, this has got to be the best poll EVAR! ;)

The obvious answer is of course Wesley Crusher, he makes my blood boil, following closely behind him is Jake Sisko then Icheb. I actually found Nog to be a good character. Naomi never really annoyed me since we saw very little of her.
 
Since there wasn't really any annoying kids in TOS (that I recall), this'll just be for TNG, DS9, and VOY. Who is the most annoying?

Personally I'm going with Naomi. Wesley is a close contender, granted, but I really think it was more along the lines of what they did with his character more than the character himself. He gets points for being angsty though. Naomi OTOH, had this indescribable out-of-placeness. Every time they used her character, it always seemed forced to me. Plus she was really chipper, which was kind of off-beat with a lot of the episodes she was in.
I never had a problem with Naomi; Scarlett Pomers was one of the least-annoying child actors I can remember watching on a regular basis, and almost completely lacking in that precious cutesiness which makes you wish bad things would happen to many child characters. Jake was fine. Never had a problem with Wesley, either, nor Icheb. Nog was somewhat grating, to start, (intentionally so, I'm quite sure) but it got better.

I think the glaring omission from your poll would have to be Alexander Rozhenko.
 
Peeps:

I think the key here is "Starfleet munchkin." In other words, young kids who are Starfleet officer wannabes or who became officers. So Alexander was never in Starfleet. Neither, up till the point we saw her, was Molly O'Brien.

I did find Naomi a bit more annoying even than Wesley, even though I don't hate her. Annoying is just that -- too precocious by half, emulating Seven of Nine -- just grating.

While Nog could be an ingratiating weasel at times, I think his evolution from misguided Ferengi to gung-ho Starfleet officer means as a character, he arguably went through the biggest change in attitude of any of the regular characters.

I still think Wesley was nearly as annoying because of the child-genius-Mozart angle. It would've been better if he was just your slightly better-than-average, ambitious student.

Jake shouldn't be included in the poll because he was the 24th century equivalent of a military brat, not a Starfleet cadet or officer.
If you had named the poll most annoying ST munchkin, you could've added Alexander Rozhenko and Molly O'Brien for sure. And then Jake would fit, too.

Wow, poor Naomi is winning the poll, bless her heart!

Red Ranger
 
Of the poll choices, Naomi is the most unpleasant. Alexander is definitely the worst of the recurring children characters, though.

Dishonorable mention must be made of all the child actors in "And the Children Shall Lead" and "Miri."

Thinking back, I can't recall any major child guest roles in ENT, so it may be the best in this area by default.
 
I'll say Naomi, simply on the grounds that none of the episodes that focused on her were really any good. Don't get me wrong, I'm by no means a Wesley fan, but The First Duty was a pretty good episode.
 
Peeps:

I think the key here is "Starfleet munchkin." In other words, young kids who are Starfleet officer wannabes or who became officers. So Alexander was never in Starfleet. Neither, up till the point we saw her, was Molly O'Brien.

I did find Naomi a bit more annoying even than Wesley, even though I don't hate her. Annoying is just that -- too precocious by half, emulating Seven of Nine -- just grating.

While Nog could be an ingratiating weasel at times, I think his evolution from misguided Ferengi to gung-ho Starfleet officer means as a character, he arguably went through the biggest change in attitude of any of the regular characters.

I still think Wesley was nearly as annoying because of the child-genius-Mozart angle. It would've been better if he was just your slightly better-than-average, ambitious student.

Jake shouldn't be included in the poll because he was the 24th century equivalent of a military brat, not a Starfleet cadet or officer.
If you had named the poll most annoying ST munchkin, you could've added Alexander Rozhenko and Molly O'Brien for sure. And then Jake would fit, too.

Wow, poor Naomi is winning the poll, bless her heart!

Red Ranger

Fine, pick me apart, ya buggers. :klingon:

Kinda forgot that Jake didn't actually join Starfleet. My bad. That was what I was focusing on here. Naomi also didn't join on-screen, but it was her ambition to, so I figure that's justifiable. Molly and Alexander, while arguably more annoying than Naomi, never expressed an interest in joining Starfleet that we saw.

Argh, now you got me wanting to include them. Fine, I'll remake the poll to include ALL the ST munchkins. The ones we have so far are:

Wesley Crusher
Icheb
Mezoti
Naomi Wildman
Molly O'brien
Alexander Roshenko
Jake Sisko
Nog

I'll remake the poll in an hour. Are there any other children who should be nominated? Please post here, and hold your votes until the new poll is up. I'd like to keep it restricted to main and recurring characters, however if you think there's a really good one from a single story arc that I missed, feel free to voice it.

EDIT: New poll is up, check it out here!
 
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I had to vote Icheb, only because of what an ass the actor was in real life.

Explain.

I wrote up the experience once, let me see if I can dig up the old post. I'm sure I'll forget bits if I try to recount it now...

Oh please tell us more. I found him to be one of worst actors I ever saw and his character quite forgettable. The idea that he actually thought that he was special in some way is quite stunning. :wtf::guffaw:
 

I wrote up the experience once, let me see if I can dig up the old post. I'm sure I'll forget bits if I try to recount it now...

Oh please tell us more. I found him to be one of worst actors I ever saw and his character quite forgettable. The idea that he actually thought that he was special in some way is quite stunning. :wtf::guffaw:

I found it. It was such an unpleasant experience, I wanted to find the original write-up from when it was all still fresh in my mind. It's kind of long, but I was kind of pissed, lol. This was at the Tampa Vulkon convention in 2004. Here goes...

I now officially have a new least favorite convention guest. It used to be Jennifer Lien seeming totally unprepared, saying "umm" all the time, constantly pulling her hair out of her face, and for asking the staffer sitting next to her, "Do I have to talk to these people?" during an autograph session. I can now in good conscience write most of that off to shyness. But Manu Intiraymi... "Borg Boy"... has really turned me off forever. Read on:

I would just as soon never see Manu Intiraymi again. I picked up an autograph from Garrett Wang and was walking by Manu's autograph table. His girlfriend (I assume, she was with him all weekend), a pink/maroon-haired chick who seemed very likely stoned, called out, "Hey you! Come over here! Please buy an autograph! We've been sitting here all f***ing day and haven't sold a G** D***ed thing, and we really need the money!" I told her I already had Manu's autograph from the previous show, and she said they'd give me a discount, and "You don't know what it feels like to sit here and be ignored", etc. She then proceeded to cry. Real tears. :wtf: Supposedly. :rolleyes: I had pity and agreed to buy an autographed photo for fifteen bucks. She told Manu to make it a special one. He signed it "To Brian - Thanks for coughing up more cash, I really needed it. - Manu, 'Icheb' 7/31/04"). When I told a friend (who also happened to be a convention staffer) about the strange experience, she asked me to talk with the convention promoter about their harassing approach, because they had received multiple complaints, mostly from merchandise dealers, who shared their room with the autograph tables. The promoter asked if I would like him to get a good autograph for me from Manu, or my money back. I said "Heck no, this is my proof of my strangest convention experience ever. It's worth keeping just as a conversation piece."

When Manu went on-stage, the first thing out of his mouth was, "Is it f***ing raining out there, or what?", only then seeming to notice that the audience was comprised of the full spectrum of humanity. It's not as if it weren't his second day at the con, and he had seen women and children and grandmothers parading by his table all the previous day.

He had little positive to say about any of his castmates or the job in general, except for his leering descriptions of being 21 and working closely with Jeri Ryan in "that suit". He talked about "two-shots", where the camera is zoomed in on two actors from the chest up for dialogue scenes, and how close they had to stand, and how he was wearing a spandex suit, and had to run off stage a few times, etc. He said that Jeri was a tease, bending over computer stations between shots as if to torture him. I've heard a similar story from others (including Jeri herself), but with a much different flavor. The more likely story says that Jeri's suit was so tight it made her back hurt, and she couldn't sit down, so she had to lean over set pieces between shots to relieve the pain.

He also remarked about how Robert Beltran always has this "I know something you don't know" half-smile on his face when he's acting. He said it's okay to do that if you're a good actor like Tom Cruise or Val Kilmer ( (!) boy, that kid needs to rent some good movies). But when you can't act -- like Beltran -- you shouldn't try to get away with that kind of smarminess.

He also talked about being on a recent Trek Cruise. Tim Russ plays guitar and sings, and he dedicated a song to "all the women in my life". Borg Boy thought that was low, given that Tim's wife was in the audience, and called him a pr**k for it. Having seen Tim before, I really doubt that his interpretation of that is correct. Tim was probably simply talking about the female fans in the audience. Or (I don't know what song he sang) he could very well have meant his mother, sister, wife, etc. And Manu got on George Takei for hounding him to quit smoking while standing there drinking red wine, as if drinking a glass of wine makes you an alcoholic, or as if wine is more detrimental than cigarettes.

In his thirty minutes on stage, Manu managed to remark on two different occasions about men being effeminate. Given his previous language, you can only imagine what terms would have used in private. One instance was about the lead Borg kid in the his first episode, "Collective". Icheb was supposed to stop the guy from clocking Seven with some kind of tool. Apparently, the actor who played Borg Boy #1 was effeminate, and therefore had "weak wrists", so when he stopped the guy from clocking her, he accidentally dropped the tool on Manu's head. So what could have been an interesting story about an on-set incident turned out to be slander of a fellow actor. The second instance was about how psyched he was to play a Borg because they're so tough and menacing, then he saw his costume. The Borg kids were supposed to be only partially assimilated. As such, they had significant portions of their bodies untouched by technology. Icheb had a full leg that was exposed, but with no techy stuff on it. Of course, Manu thought he had a bare leg only because the costume designer was an effeminate guy. He felt that he couldn't look tough and imposing like a Borg should with a bare leg, but was stuck with the costume as designed.

He also made a remark about Florida being largely populated by alligators and hicks. Lovely kid, really knows his audience. By the way, he says he despises being called the "Borg Boy", so I'll make a point of calling him that for the rest of his life. The character of Icheb was supposed to be about 15, but Manu was 21 when he played him and is now 27. He should have a better sense of tailoring his language and behavior to the situation.

Stupid Borg Boy. :klingon:
 
^^Wow, I've been wondering why I'd never seen the guy acting in anything since Voyager ended. That would explain it.
 
I honestly didn't mind Jake, but the rest I wanted to see shoved out an airlock. Too bad there wan't a choice for all of the above.
 
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