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Morally praiseworthy = sacrifice
This is setting up the scene where Spock does the morally praiseworthy thing by being willing to sacrifice himself in the Jellyfish against the Narada.
It's being willing to go beyond the call of duty; to go beyond what is obligatory. It's an emotional response rather than a logical one.
The young Spock who was giving programmed Vulcan answers answered on the side of doing just what was obligatory. Spock ultimately chose to do the praiseworthy thing instead. Kirk is all about going beyond the call of duty.
Of course, you have the moment where you have them try out the other's expected response: Kirk goes with the emotionless and logical way of offering mercy, while Spock chooses not to show mercy with an emotional response to what Nero has done.
This is setting up the scene where Spock does the morally praiseworthy thing by being willing to sacrifice himself in the Jellyfish against the Narada.
It's being willing to go beyond the call of duty; to go beyond what is obligatory. It's an emotional response rather than a logical one.
The young Spock who was giving programmed Vulcan answers answered on the side of doing just what was obligatory. Spock ultimately chose to do the praiseworthy thing instead. Kirk is all about going beyond the call of duty.
Of course, you have the moment where you have them try out the other's expected response: Kirk goes with the emotionless and logical way of offering mercy, while Spock chooses not to show mercy with an emotional response to what Nero has done.
I had to go look that word up
but I think you are right. It certainly fits in context.Heh, it's not part of my active vocabulary, either...
I was just googling the relevant terms, and found that book excerpt which is too fitting to not be related in any way.
I was just googling the relevant terms, and found that book excerpt which is too fitting to not be related in any way.
i had definitely wondered about this. it does reach out and grab the ear. i wish they had been more upfront about it, cause i like the idea of this as foreshadowing. unfortunately the last word of the question was totally cut out, so all we are left with is his answer. and yeah, those of us who were educated in american public schools have no idea what the heck he is talking about without doing a little research.
I saw the movie a third time yesterday, and it did make me wonder what the question was. Thanks for the answer, err, the question 
say WHAT?? you're joking, right? what could one possibly have to do with the other?
The rather obvious relationship being that they are supposedly Spock's test questions, and the film features one and the novel features the other.
Call me crazy, but I would expect the subject of this thread would be more likely to be studied by Vulcan students than 20th century Earth music.
wait.... the beatles are a test question? in the movie? where? surely nothing to do with the bit about being morally praiseworthy, etc.? i am confused. should i be offended? please tell me! 
wait.... the beatles are a test question? in the movie? where? surely nothing to do with the bit about being morally praiseworthy, etc.? i am confused. should i be offended? please tell me!
The novel does not feature the response that prompted this thread.
Instead, among the questions Spock is asked, there is a bit of music which he identifies as being composed by Lennon and McCartney. That is not in the film.
It's hardly something to be offended by, but it struck me as a rather needless quirk.
well, what i meant was that it ticks me off when there are needless shoutouts to things that are totally irrelevant. so, not offended, exactly. but i'm glad there is nothing like that in the film. i agree that it's hardly something that 23rd century vulcans are likely to be studying and would have been quite distracting.
also, i thought the novelisation wasn't out yet. where are you reading this?
also, i thought the novelisation wasn't out yet. where are you reading this?
Novelisation is out, and has been for a while.
Maybe you're thinking of the original Trek novel that Alan Dean Foster is writing for next year?
Maybe you're thinking of the original Trek novel that Alan Dean Foster is writing for next year?
Could be. apologies, i have a lot going on...
It is deeply interesting that they chose that to be the last line the young Spock would say during his test. Thinking back to his "death" on the Enterprise during the battle of the Mutara Nebula, Spock looks at Kirk and aks how do you like my solution. Speaking of course of the Kobiashi Maru. A supererogatory action is the answer. In fan fiction the only other cadet to beat the test gave himself over the the Klingons to be executed for the violation of Federation Klingon treaty. The question must have been when is such an act required. Something that Kirk in the new movie should have known from the actions of his father on the USS Kelvin.
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Define "supererogation."
Supererogation is the performance of more than is asked for; the action of doing more than duty requires. In ethics, an act is supererogatory if it is good but not morally required to be done. It refers to an act that is more than necessary, when another course of action—involving less—would still be an acceptable action. It differs from a duty (which is an act that would be wrong not to do), and from acts that are morally neutral. Supererogation may be considered as performing above and beyond a normative course of duty to further benefits and functionality—morally praiseworthy, but not morally obligatory.
Supererogation is the performance of more than is asked for; the action of doing more than duty requires. In ethics, an act is supererogatory if it is good but not morally required to be done. It refers to an act that is more than necessary, when another course of action—involving less—would still be an acceptable action. It differs from a duty (which is an act that would be wrong not to do), and from acts that are morally neutral. Supererogation may be considered as performing above and beyond a normative course of duty to further benefits and functionality—morally praiseworthy, but not morally obligatory.
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