Moore's Law and Star Trek propulsion

[PrimeDirective]

Thanks for clearing that up I just want my intelligence to be valued. The reason I came on here was to discuss Star Trek, and have spirited discussions on it.

 

[DaveyNY]

The best way to have a spirited discussion around here is to NEVER take anything posted in reply, to heart.

Don't assume that someone is devaluing your opinion, just because they disagree with you.

And the Fahrenheit to Celsius example does seem to be pretty straight-forward.

 

[PrimeDirective]

I base my statetments on scientific fact; so they're not opinions.

 

[sojourner]

^OK, I get it. This is really Tachy with an alternate account isn't it? You know you can get banned for that.

But just to humor you, what exactly have you stated that is a fact, not an opinion? And if it is a fact, that must mean you can site sources for your facts. Please enlighten us.

 

[PrimeDirective]

I don't know who "Tachy" is. What I meant by my comments being based on fact, is that I draw upon my academically and personally-gathered scientific knowledge to make my comments. I don't presume to be smarter than anybody, all I hope for is to add to the wealth of knowledge on here.

 

[Gepard]

Err, you did get the memo that all the "science" in Trek is fake, right? We can't actually build warp engines.

 

[PrimeDirective]

What I meant to say is that I use real-world scientific knowledge, to propose explanations for why things work the way they do in Star Trek.

 

[sojourner]

Sooooo, how does this lead back in to the TNG scale being better than the TOS scale? Because so far you haven't provided much of an argument.

 

[PrimeDirective]

I've done everything I can to explain to you and everybody willing to listen, how the new warp scale is more accurate than the older one, but I'm not going to keep explaining it to the deaf.

 

[Mytran]

If I've understood you correctly, you're saying that the TNG warp scale takes the "absolute speed limit of a starship" and renames that value Warp 10. The other warp factors are then derived from this limit.

Is that what you're saying?

If so, how is that more (or less) accurate than any other system? It's just a way to measure velocity, whatever you call it.

 

[sojourner]

I've done everything I can to explain to you and everybody willing to listen, how the new warp scale is more accurate than the older one, but I'm not going to keep explaining it to the deaf.

Actually, I would like you to point out at least ONE POST that explains how the new scale is more accurate. You haven't sited any sources, math or even examples that work (55mph = 100mph).

Just repeating "the new warp scale is more accurate" does not make it true.

 

[PrimeDirective]

I'm sorry to anybody if I came off as an a-hole with my last reply. It's more accurate because it takes into consideration the advances in space-time distortion understanding, that are inevitable when using a technology. I don't see how scientists in the 24th century wouldn't have learned something new about warp technology. As a scientist, you're always looking for new ways to improve technology.

 

[Mytran]

It's more accurate because the 24th Century Warp Factors take into account advances in Warp technology? No argument there!
My gripe is the wierd decision by the TNG scientists to place an imprecise integer like infinity as only the 10th notch on the chart. It skews the chart off something shocking for anything above Warp 9!

 

[sojourner]

How does

It's more accurate because it takes into consideration the advances in space-time distortion understanding,

make saying "warp 23" easier to use than "warp 9.9995"?

OK, I'll give you an example that comes close to working with the statement you gave above.

The Kelvin scale is more accurate than Fahrenheit and Celsius, but we don't see it in general use. Want to know why? Because 310.15k is not as efficient to say as 32c or 98.6f for body temp.



Actually, another thought came to me. The TNG scale is like a reverse of the old math problem:

You are 10 miles from home, you can travel half the remaining distance every day. How many days does it take to get home?

 

[Chaos Descending]

Because I seem to be the only one on here who has a good enough understanding of not only physics, but of theoretical physics to know that I'm right. I'm not only a Star Trek fan, but also a knowledgeable individual in scientific thinking. If I need to explain the joke I made with the warp textbook, then I don't think you have the brains to understand the basis of it

Ok. Just stop. Really.

 

[PrimeDirective]

That "not having brains" thing was too much, sorry.

 

[PrimeDirective]

Okay. Here's my response: The physics that affect traveling on a planet or in its atmosphere, are not the same as those that one has to consider when it comes to distorting space-time, so your example "sojourner" isn't a valid one. You're logic suggests that one can use the same physics that are used when studying the momentum of a car, when studying the reactions and relationships between particles at the quantum level(that's why they invented the field of quantum physics).

 

[sojourner]

Wait, you mean to tell me the physics of warp effect how we label the speeds?!? That's just moronic. It's like saying we can't use the number "2" when measuring horsepower because we also use it to measure mph. My logic has nothing to do with the physics. The physics don't matter when creating a scale. When creating a scale the only thing that matters is that it conveys the data clearly and leaves room for additional data.

We could measure warp speed in MPH, parsecs per hour, light years per hour, AU's per hour. It doesn't matter how the engine achieves those speeds.

So, stop dodging the question and tell me, how is TNG warp scale "more accurate" than the TOS warp scale?

 

[Finn]

I've done everything I can to explain to you and everybody willing to listen, how the new warp scale is more accurate than the older one, but I'm not going to keep explaining it to the deaf.

Hey there! Deaf person here. I didn't know the others were deaf too. *waves*

By the way, going around telling people off about how you are intelligent is not a good sign of intelligence. And many of your posts reeks of inadequacy issues, like you have to prove that you are intelligent.

 

[PrimeDirective]

Clearly conveying the data is what any system needs to do, but it's not the only thing that it needs to do. But in order for that to happen, one needs to have a good understanding of what you're creating the system from, otherwise you're going to have people using different units of measurements when refering to the same concept. In regards to it being the same, it's not. Here's why it's not(in my mind): Saying that it's the same, is like saying that 100 degrees celcius is the same as 23 degress fareheit. You create different systems because : a.) They weren't good to beging with or 2.) They need to be updated, due to advances in understanding.