Yes. Just a whole lot later.
News Moonves: CBS All Access And Star Trek: Discovery Doing Very Well
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Yes. Just a whole lot later.
I haven't seen any of the Netflix originals on TV
Well, House of Cards and Orange is the new Black were on ZDF (German television).
But actually I just read it's not entirely sure Star Trek Discovery will be available on free-tv any time in the future at all!
It used to be this way, that every show was on free-tv at some point, all early Netflix shows, Amazon prime (High castle) or HBO (Rome, GoT). But that apparently that isn't the case anymore. Who'd have thought?
The show had one 35 minute episode. It also had a 57 minute episode, so yeah way to exaggerate. Again, if it weren't performing at or above business expectations, they wouldn't have greenlit a second season. Also, I don't think many are claiming it's a Juggernaut, but from a business perspective for CBS it's not a failure.I've read the whole thread and haven't found the evidence Discovery is doing very well
It is being made into a second season - what another 15 episodes worth? Thirty five minute episodes?? Sometime next year??
What a juggernaut!
How long did it take you to get House of Cards?
Note that experimentation isn't a business strategy. HBO tried syndicating Curb Your Enthusiasm for a bit, and I think Sex and the City turned up someplace too, but most of their stuff is still firmly behind the paywall here. Dunno about Germany. Of course, a lot of HBO stuff can't run on US free TV without massive re-editing anyway.
The weaker Netflix, etc., is in a country, the more incentive there is to sell airing rights to local broadcasters. More money from the payments than from a handful more subscriber fees. I presume they have some crossover percentage in mind where it starts being more profitable to keep the stuff locked up.
Note that experimentation isn't a business strategy. HBO tried syndicating Curb Your Enthusiasm for a bit, and I think Sex and the City turned up someplace too, but most of their stuff is still firmly behind the paywall here. Dunno about Germany. Of course, a lot of HBO stuff can't run on US free TV without massive re-editing anyway.
The weaker Netflix, etc., is in a country, the more incentive there is to sell airing rights to local broadcasters. More money from the payments than from a handful more subscriber fees. I presume they have some crossover percentage in mind where it starts being more profitable to keep the stuff locked up.
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Oh. Midnight's Edge? Thank goodness someone else mentioned the authors before I accidentally clicked on their latest garbage tier hot take. I don't want to give them any hits for ad revenue. They've been badmouthing the show since pre-production. They have a hate-on for Discovery and nothing they say is even remotely credible. So thanks, Eschaton, but no thanks.
I don't understand much of this math stuff but one thing I would bet on is the budget being cut. Big budget was one of the reason CBS let "Supergirl" go and I still remember that the budget was one of the reasons Fuller got fired. Now they don't have anyone running the show who will fight against any network interference so I bet the budget will go down. One way to notice early is if they don't bring in a big name actor to replace Lorca.
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You got any evidence for that statement? I'm in the UK and it might be my social circle isn't representative, but it seems pretty much everyone uses it.
Budget wasn't really why Supergirl was moved from CBS to CW. Ratings were. It couldn't maintain the high numbers that CBS shows typically do in that time slot. The demographics weren't there. People thought the budget was the problem but it has largely been the same as there wasn't any visual downgrade on the show when it came to season 2 and 3. It would have been noticed. In fact things have gotten better. Same across all the DC superhero shows on the CW. Now that could be because they've just simply refined their technology over time and gotten used to using their budgets more wisely as well but nothing has suggested there has been a drop off in budget on those shows. Not in any big way anyway. They just did a super expensive movie that was a crossover between four shows and do these crossovers ever year.
Supergirl is very likely though why Discovery went straight to CBS AA and was used to push that service instead of even being attempted to be shown on CBS proper outside of the premiere. Demographics were strongly at play.
You have to remember as well a lot of the first season budget in general is going to be going toward long term investments like sets, building assets for the special effects, etc. So maybe some of that initial cost is one time spending or maybe not. Discovery being a show that one has to pay for requires that money to be seen on screen . No way does a budget get reduced, just likely better applied.
I don't think they need a big name actor to replace Issacs nor do I think not replacing him with someone on that level is a indication of what the budget will be. What you don't want in general is the actor being the focus vs the character. You don't need a house hold name either. SMG's Burnham is still going to be the main character. I fully expect season 2 and maybe 3 will in part be about her rising to the rank of captain now that she has her rank back since that's where we were before things went to hell for her. So I don't expect them to try and get a huge named actor for what is likely not going to be a long term position that might not be the story focus. Especially when you have the possibility of bringing Issacs back and still have Michelle Yeoh to bring back.
I imagine Fuller was let go less for budgets but more so for scripts being late because he wasn't giving the show his attention. The show got two more episodes after he left so budget likely wasn't the issue for CBS ultimately. American Gods was a higher priority for him over Star Trek since that ended up releasing first while he was seemingly constantly late with Discovery stuff and maybe going in a direction they felt might not work as well. You don't add additional episodes that increases the overall budget if you had budget concerns and that was the primary concern.
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The total budget for Season 2 may well be smaller, but the per-episode budget may still be a bit larger for two reasons.
1. Discovery's standing sets are already constructed.
2. I suspect that although we have been told how much each episode cost on average that the number is highly misleading. A lot of money was blown in the two-part pilot/prologue, with the season getting notably cheaper thereafter.
https://www.recode.net/2018/1/22/16920150/netflix-q4-2017-earnings-subscribers
55 million in USA out of 300 some million.
63 million users in the rest of the world out of 3 or 4 billion where it is available.
Ok, but that's a strange and fairly arbitrary way of looking at the world, split between the North American continent and "the rest of the world". I get why Netflix do it, they are looking at comparisons between domestic and overseas traffic, but it doesn't give the whole story.
For all your data tells us of those 63 million 50 million could be in France, or 30 million each split between the UK and Germany, making Netflix bigger there than the US. The data is too generalised to be meaningful, we just don't know and assuming an even spread across the "rest of the world" makes no sense. The greatest concentration of subscribers could easily be elsewhere and your link would not tell us one way or another.
In fact, whilst Netflix is clearly huge in the US, Canada (which rahul lumped in with the US in his original statement) has 3.5 million in a population of 37 million, which is actually on a par with (or even slightly below) countries such as Denmark which has 0.6 million in a population of 5.7 million, each in the one in nine ballpark as compared to the US' one in six.
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The paucity of francophone titles/dubs on Netflix in Canada, along with 7 million francophones in Quebec alone, skews the rate of subscriptions.
You lost me there, do they count as a separate category of subscriptions?
No. It just means fewer people in Canada are interested in an anglophone service in percentage terms than if it was a mostly unilingual country.
CBS would never, in a million years, admit that STD was/is a failure. It would be the death knell for All Action.
As for STD not being a financial failure from CBS' perspective, of course that's going to be the case. CBS didn't pay for it. Every $ that STD has generated for CBS is pure profit. That will of course change with season two when Netflix decides not to contribute the full cost.
Is there a source for this part? I was looking for it last page and I couldn't find it.
So you were at the board meeting too? I couldn’t believe it when the CFO announced his retirement. Too young to stop working, don’t you think?
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