Moon-walker claims alien contact cover-up

[voggmo]

Click on the link below Scotty, & at the 1.46 mark, you'll see a UFO dissapear. Cool technology.

http://theufostore.com/Merchant2/me...PLAD4038DVD&Category_Code=T&Affiliate=greyfox

Can't make edit button work, screen goes white & stays that way.

 

[Gepard]

Zachary, do you suppose ants believe in us?

When we step on them? Yes.

 

[Zachary Smith]

Zachary, do you suppose ants believe in us?

Impossible to speculate without having any frame of reference to consider what may or may NOT be perceived by an ant's "mind".

Clearly ants REACT to us as a stimulus. They will run when threatened and I have been bitten by ants so it is evident that on some level they perceive we exist. Whether they are capable of realizing we are living, mortal creatures like themselves is impossible to know but seems unlikely to me. To consider the question, it's necessary to first establish whether ants think AT ALL in any capacity or simply respond to stimulis.

 

[BolianAuthor]

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You DO realize that ants perform various functions within a colony, right? That means they think.

Also, they ARE aware of us, as is any animal with eyes, that can see a person. They may not always react, but reaction and awareness are separate things.

 

[Zachary Smith]

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You DO realize that ants perform various functions within a colony, right? That means they think.

Also, they ARE aware of us, as is any animal with eyes, that can see a person. They may not always react, but reaction and awareness are separate things.

You DO realize that cells perform various functions within a body, right? Does THAT mean they think? Plants perform various functions in a garden. Do THEY think? Elements perform various functions in a compound. Do THEY think?

You have NO WAY of establishing how much of the actions performed by ants, or any insect, are from instinct or by reason. NONE. I would venture to suggest that ants, at least individually are INCAPABLE of abstract reasoning or conscious thought as we understand it. Ants are socially complex creatures and, in their own way, are marvelous engineers. Again, how much is reasoned and how much is instinctive can be debated endlessly. It is entirely possible that ants, even if they have glimmer of conscious thought, don't even recognize themselves as unique or individual but as merely a component in a collective. Who knows? Certainly not me.

And I never suggested ants are UNAWARE of us. I suggested that we may be so alien to their perceptions that they don't recognize us as living beings (assuming they have any concept of "living" vs inanimate). For all I know ants don't differentiate between being tromped on by a human foot vs being run over by a car. We may be beyond their ability to conceptualize as being creatures. We might just be moving "things" to them.

Anyhow, someone want to clue me in as to the POINT of this "ants" discussion? I realize that different species doubtlessly experience the universe through the prisim of their own perceptions and to try to project motivation on to another species based on our own world experiences is a dodgy prospect but I really hope there is a greater point beyond that belabored and obvious one.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Aliens aren't just in the backwoods any more. There have been recent new developments about the "Phoenix Lights" from Arizona that shows bona fide alien activity. There were the sitings along Hudson River a few years ago that millions of people saw in New York. Mexico City, one of the largest and heavily populated cities in the world register regular sitings every year. Yes, the UFO's have a propensity for meandering through rural areas, but they're all over the place now.

 

[scotthm]

There have been recent new developments about the "Phoenix Lights" from Arizona that shows bona fide alien activity.

I'm sure there's lots of (illegal) alien activity in Arizona, but none of it is extraterrestrial.

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[Danoz]

Come on, the government can't do anything efficiently. It beggars credulity that it could keep a secret perfectly for decades.

Especially since we're talking about multiple governments, multiple factions coming into and out of power. Politicians like nothing more than to expose the scandals of their opposition or predecessors, and reporters want nothing more than to expose the next big government scandal and be the next Woodward and Bernstein. The level of scrutiny in Washington is therefore monumental. And with so many people who'd have to be involved in a coverup, that makes for a lot of lines of communication that can be intercepted, a lot of weak links that can be exploited, a lot of chances for people within the coverup to decide that it's wrong and needs to be exposed. The bigger a conspiracy gets, the exponentially more improbable it becomes that it can be kept secret indefinitely.

So as a rule, the only secrets that ever get kept in Washington are those that everyone agrees it's in the interests of national security to keep. The Stargate franchise notwithstanding, I don't believe the existence of saucer men from Koosbane is such a secret. On the contrary, if people from the opposition party found that the sitting administration had knowingly conspired to cover up the existence of skinny grey alien nudists who were abducting American citizens for titillatingly invasive and generally pointless probing, they wouldn't agree to keep the secret; on the contrary, they'd make a huge scandal out of it in order to blow away the opposition and retake the White House.

We JUST recently found out that hundreds of people were involved in a massive WWII spy network. That wasn't leaked, it was released.

 

[KlingonZ]

I think that secrets can be kept in government and I think alien contact would constitute a national security issue.

During WWII billions of dollars were spent on the Manhattan Project. This involved about 60,000 people. The information was released to the public only after we won the war. At the time vice president Harry Truman did not have a need to know and was not informed about the M Project until he became president!

 

[Brolan]

I think that secrets can be kept in government and I think alien contact would constitute a national security issue.

During WWII billions of dollars were spent on the Manhattan Project. This involved about 60,000 people. The information was released to the public only after we won the war. At the time vice president Harry Truman did not have a need to know and was not informed about the M Project until he became president!

The problem with your argument is they only had to keep a vital secret five years in time of war. And the Russians still penetrated the security and found out about it.