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StarSuperion, the only references to Homosexuality in Dr. Who proper is acknowledgement of our existence and that we are just like everyone else. To turn around and say you don't want your 10 year old daughter exposed to that, is extremely offensive, and suggests extreme bigotry, what is it about that message that you are afraid of your 10 year old seeing? There is nothing anywhere close to two guys getting it on, so, it's a real wonder what you saw in Dr. Who that you interpretted as such that caused you react in such a way
 
Perhaps if you don't want people to jump on what you write, perhaps you need to learn to be more clear in what you are trying to say. If it keeps happening to you, perhaps you need to look for the common denominator in the equation.

Nicely put; starsuperion, I think you really need to pay a little bit more attention to what you write, you have this habit of just tumbling thoughts down in a big stream of conciousness that you don't edit/clarify before you post. It sometimes makes your train of thought hard to follow (And I don't just mean in this thread) :)

Always worth reading through a post and giving it some thought before you actually post it (a lesson I learned with work emails many years ago :lol:)

You guys may be right... I think that what I meant to convey and what was written was very different, and it raised a bunch of questions to you guys.. but like I said, I meant to only defend what I was seeing as a reason why some do not like RTD's added cultural style..I should have used his over emotional tone to relate to the emo crowd as a different analogy..oh well..

StarSuperion, the only references to Homosexuality in Dr. Who proper is acknowledgement of our existence and that we are just like everyone else. To turn around and say you don't want your 10 year old daughter exposed to that, is extremely offensive, and suggests extreme bigotry, what is it about that message that you are afraid of your 10 year old seeing? There is nothing anywhere close to two guys getting it on, so, it's a real wonder what you saw in Dr. Who that you interpretted as such that caused you react in such a way

honestly, it is my right as a parent to raise my kids anyway I see fit.. if you think it conveys extreme bigotry to shield her from what I deem Obscene acts, till she is older, then SO BE IT... I am a Bigot then in that way.. quite frankly, I don't care what you believe, and I am not afraid to feel what I feel. I am so tired of this you have to have tolerance to this or that or you are going to be jumped on as a bigot or wrong.. fine I am wrong, so what.. I don't care..I am going to be who I want and do what I want as a free person.

as for the message.. there is nothing about that I am afraid of her seeing, I don't care what people do behind closed doors, but for the first 50 years of television there wasn't any of that geared towards kids, so why should there be that now?? Fine for adults, but she is 10.. let her be 10.. when she is older and wants to watch Gay porn so be it, that is her choice then.. but as a child, I tend to seek to shield her from as much "sexual references" as possible..We can infer a character is gay, but without the overt sexual references..As far as Doctor who, again my discussion point was that RTD was a little more risque then Moffat has been so far.. Captain Jack in Doctor who doesn't bother me.. neither did the lesbos in the car in that traffic jam episode..now Torchwood does bother me, and I would shield her from most of that..(that is what I was referring to) whether you like that choice or not, it is what I feel is my right as a father..


but let me tell you this much, I know for a fact..I am not alone..:techman:

Sindataur, I have gay friends.. METRO Friends and so on.. but I don't want my daughter sitting in on a smooch fest (straight or Gay)..I still want her to play with Barbies.. when she comes to stay with me on weekends, my girlfriend and I call it "PG" time.. I am far from the classic "nuclear Family" and I doubt that even exists anymore.. so I am not some throw back, knuckle dragger.. but it is like I said, society has become so freaking sensitive to any opposing views to what is now considered Tolerant, that it's no wonder some seek to turn to violence.. (not that I condone it at all) but it's people who act like you and call anyone who doesn't accept you a hater.. that brings about hate in itself..

If I didn't like you because you were gay, then that is my feeling, my choice..

does it physically hurt you? no...
do you care anyway? no...

so then why call someone a hater, if it really has no effect on you?? see my point??
you don't have to accept it, but don't go and make it an issue, if you truly don't give a crap..

as for me, I am not that way..
 
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Let's keep this focused upon the Doctor Who related subjects. For the most part the discussion has been admirably controlled, but we're beginning to veer far away from that and into a separate topic altogether. This really is not the place for debating the controversies surrounding homosexuality or why each of you holds their particular point of view, although that is perfectly legitimate to discuss in and of itself. However, the TNZ or Misc forums are more appropriate for them.

Obviously if you focus upon how Doctor Who - and by extension Torchwood - handles the subject of homosexuality, that's cool depending on just HOW you do that.
 
StarSuperion, of course you should shield your 10 year, or any 10 year from Torchwood, it's an adult show, and rated R (Language, adult themes, etc). No 10 year old should see it without their parent(s) fully understanding what it contains and how their child might handle it

But Torchwood is not Dr. Who, it's a different show in the same universe, when you say Dr. Who, it is referring specifically to the show called Dr. Who, not the spinoffs in the Dr. Whoniverse. That's what got me so confused, was because I was trying to figure out what in Dr. Who you were talking about having to shield her from, becuse the only thing Dr. Who shows regarding Homosexuality is the existence of it, and that Gay people are just lke everyone else.

I have no problem with you shielding a 10 year from Torchwood, I applaud it.
 
starsuperion, you are not helping matters by using terms such as "lesbos", so please avoid that in the future or you might find yourself with an infraction. :vulcan:
 
This is the last I'll say, and move on...but....

If I didn't like you because you were gay, then that is my feeling, my choice..


And guess what? It's my choice to not like you because of your attitudes towards homosexuality and interracial couples on TV. It's a two way street. Freedom of speech and thought doesn't mean freedom FROM criticism of said speech and thought.
 
StarSuperion, do you shield her from all references to hetrosexuality on TV? Cos I would imagine that's very difficult. I don't think anyone would ever suggest a 10 year old should be watching Torchwood, but hetrosexuality is everywhere, all the time. Do you shield her from the fact that Rory and Amy love each other and are married? Or that Jackie is pregnant? I mean most kids shows will feature a mum and a dad, a romantic relationship. You talk about gay porn but where have we seen that in Who? To my mind there's only one moment where Who's got close to the line and that's the blowjob inference in Love and Monsters, and that related to hetrosexual relations (Hey, that paving slab was a woman!) Close after that is maybe Amy throwing herself at the Doctor, again hetrosexual. A lot of RTD's references are a bit clumsy (although sometimes he does it on purpose to get a reaction-the gay dad's line on Sarah Jane for example) but I can't think of one of them that's been that risque. RTD is gay, he feels that is as normal for him as Moffat's strightness is for him.

In fact the more I think about it the most risque references to homosexuality in Who were probably in The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances...and who wrote that again? :)
 
wow.. 5 on one.. nice..

okay, so ignoring some others cause this crap can go on forever, and as far as zoom is concerned, lets just agree to dislike each other and keep it at that..

I am standin my ground on what I believe..

as for RTD being gay.. I knew that..it was pretty obvious..(sorry about writing l#$bo, I didn't know that had become a pejorative..I just thought it was shorthand for lesbian?) for the record though could we not have whitey or cracker used for Caucasian then?? I would appreciate that... LOL

or cauci
or casian
or howlie (which I was called a lot in Guam)

anyhow, to Starkers point, yea the doctor dances didn't seem very suggestive to me, there were some parts in it that were silly, but I don't know what you mean? But I think that it could be said that it was a given the new doctor who had a slight slant to it..I mean, and please don't take this wrong way....

A Coral Tardis was a big hint..sorry it just was.

BTW I love the Matt smith Doctor:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/12/article-1143446-006F14CE000004B0-853_468x307.jpg
 
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Well the fact that there's nothing overly risque about The Doctor Dances kinda proves my point, and that is about as risque as any of the gay stuff gets (for the record Jack tells the British officer he has an excellent bottom, makes reference to the fact the guy won't be interested in Rose, and then we discover the father of the house Nancy took food from has it so well stocked because he's knocking off the butcher!) so the question remains, where in Who is this gay porn, or extreme gay rights stuff you're talking about, and that you feel the need to shield your daughter from?
 
It was in Time Crash - the 5th Doctor Children In Need special.

He asked if the Master still had that rubbish beard and the 10th Doctor said no, well he had a wife

Something like that anyway - can't remember exactly.
 
It was in Time Crash - the 5th Doctor Children In Need special.

He asked if the Master still had that rubbish beard and the 10th Doctor said no, well he had a wife

Something like that anyway - can't remember exactly.

That's what I thought, but since I didn't interpret that line that way I wondered if the reference was elsewhere. thanks for the clarification.
 
wow.. 5 on one.. nice..

okay, so ignoring some others cause this crap can go on forever, and as far as zoom is concerned, lets just agree to dislike each other and keep it at that..

I am standin my ground on what I believe..

as for RTD being gay.. I knew that..it was pretty obvious..(sorry about writing l#$bo, I didn't know that had become a pejorative..I just thought it was shorthand for lesbian?) for the record though could we not have whitey or cracker used for Caucasian then?? I would appreciate that... LOL

or cauci
or casian
or howlie (which I was called a lot in Guam)

anyhow, to Starkers point, yea the doctor dances didn't seem very suggestive to me, there were some parts in it that were silly, but I don't know what you mean? But I think that it could be said that it was a given the new doctor who had a slight slant to it..I mean, and please don't take this wrong way....

A Coral Tardis was a big hint..sorry it just was.

BTW I love the Matt smith Doctor:
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2009/02/12/article-1143446-006F14CE000004B0-853_468x307.jpg

Seriously - you said in a post above that people who object to prejudice are more of a problem than the people who express it and that you can understand why the latter get violent when their prejudice isn't respected and yet you're surprised that lots of people disagree with you!!

And I can't understand how you missed all the sexual references in Doctor Dances unless you've chosen to do so.

And a Coral Tardis!!?? I have no idea of the point you're trying to make there.
 
It was in Time Crash - the 5th Doctor Children In Need special.

He asked if the Master still had that rubbish beard and the 10th Doctor said no, well he had a wife

Something like that anyway - can't remember exactly.

That's what I thought, but since I didn't interpret that line that way I wondered if the reference was elsewhere. thanks for the clarification.

It's weird, I never knew about a beard in that connotation before I watched Time Crash, then suddenly it seemed everywhere (and in older stuff) so it seems to be quite a well known notion!
 
I just don't get this "Coral Tardis" thing? When has the Tardis ever been pink? Throughout the new Series, It's varying shades of brown, isn't it? Perhaps a hint of orange in the brown, but, I definitely couldn't see it as pink? :wtf:
 
I just don't get this "Coral Tardis" thing? When has the Tardis ever been pink? Throughout the new Series, It's varying shades of brown, isn't it? Perhaps a hint of orange in the brown, but, I definitely couldn't see it as pink? :wtf:

Was that also mentioned in "Timecrash"?
 
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