Moffat and Barrowman fall out
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I was going to say that The Doctor would never be too "ashamed" of humanity to save it if the Earth really needed him and that that was another example of Torchwood being the stupidest Who related show, but then I remembered Kill the Moon and realized terrible writers have already kind of written him like that. So, trying to say its a Torchwood specific stupidity isn't really fair.
For all we know The Doctor arrived, then went "Oh, this is when..." then sadly had to get back into the Tardis and leave before he was tempted to interfere with actual historical events.
Gwen would be unaware that The Doctor saved a family that was going to board the Titanic but still had to let everyone else die.
Gwen would be unaware that The Doctor saved a family that was going to board the Titanic but still had to let everyone else die.
Ah... fixed point.
Torchwood didn't always deliver on its potential, and if it ever does reappear on TV, I wouldn't be surprised if it was reinvented somewhat, with a different Torchwood branch, different cast, different tone. But the Big Finish audios are telling some pretty good stories, and if we could get occasional novels -- several of the existing Torchwood novels are quite good -- I'd be okay with the show surviving in audio and print form only.
But damn, Miracle Day was a mess, wasn't it? Some good writers involved, but it needed some serious rethinking. From the premise to certain pointless characters to the lame resolution, it just felt like a collision of half-thought-out ideas, with some powerful moments every couple of episodes or so almost by accident.
But damn, Miracle Day was a mess, wasn't it? Some good writers involved, but it needed some serious rethinking. From the premise to certain pointless characters to the lame resolution, it just felt like a collision of half-thought-out ideas, with some powerful moments every couple of episodes or so almost by accident.
Torchwood novels really are great. IMO, at times they seem to have a better handle on the concept than the show itself did. It is a shame they haven't continued publishing more, even if it is understandable. Hell, I would actually gladly give up Children of Earth if it meant more novels centering around the post-season 2 adventures of Jack, Gwen and Ianto.
On the issue of pointless characters, Bill Pullman's creepy pedophile takes the lead. I mean, the character is practically referred to as pointless in on-screen dialogue in the finale, I kind of wonder exactly what his purpose was. As disturbing as the idea was, back when early details of the character were released I thought a pedophile antihero joining the Torchwood team could be ballsy and if handled right, brilliant. But other than constantly presenting him as an unrepentant douche, they did nothing with the character. He doesn't even have any real character development, he's introduced as an unrepentant douche, and he dies as one. Other than trying to stir some controversy, the character added nothing to the show. Even his storyline was flawed, just because someone's execution fails, they do not get set free on the grounds of "execution attempted = sentence served."
Yeah, I actually thought it would be pretty brave if they'd have had him save the day, but in the end he was neither villain nor hero. There were lots of things like that, the 'dead' people in masks for one, they were creepy but poorly used.
The biggest fault of the show was trying to be CoE. Sacrificing kids to save your own skins is a horrific notion, but however much they tried to sell it the same, incinerating people who should be dead but aren't just wasn't as shocking, it might not be nice but it was at least a rational response to the situation and it just didn't remotely hit you in the gut like the trafficking of children did.
Shame as there was the kernel of a good idea there, and I think a novel set in a world where no one dies could be interesting, but even with 10 episodes Miracle Day never seemed to get to grips with just what story it was trying to tell.
The biggest fault of the show was trying to be CoE. Sacrificing kids to save your own skins is a horrific notion, but however much they tried to sell it the same, incinerating people who should be dead but aren't just wasn't as shocking, it might not be nice but it was at least a rational response to the situation and it just didn't remotely hit you in the gut like the trafficking of children did.
Shame as there was the kernel of a good idea there, and I think a novel set in a world where no one dies could be interesting, but even with 10 episodes Miracle Day never seemed to get to grips with just what story it was trying to tell.
And the space vagina that was left in space during Miracle Day. Ugh
The trouble is that if the Doctor were around he'd have visited the 456, given them an ultimatum, and then if they didn't leave he'd have used the sonic on them and that would all be one episode
