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MLS 2008 - where it's soccer, not football!

One thing though, how do you guys feel it affects the MLS that there's no qualifying and relegation system in place?

You have to understand one thing. The relegation/promotion system is a concept which is completely alien to the American sports scene. We never had it in our other sports and I doubt we'll have it in the future.

I believe this is one of the things that really hones competition, so that every year teams playing like crap are shit-scared of not making the cut, and having to spend the entire next year in a lower division. This also means that the best teams of the second best division really have something to fight for, trying to make it into the top division.

Typically the "second division" teams in this country are owned by their respective first division "parents" so there is no reason why they would want to fight to make it into the top division even if they are allowed to.

As far as competition goes we have salary caps and revenue sharing which make our leagues actually much more competitive than almost all European football leagues. Our leagues don't have a relegation battle but we do have something better and that is a battle for playoff spots. Every year there are maybe a handful of teams who are tanking it at the end of season but that is because they get more benefits for being worse (higher draft picks next season).

Draft picks is another element that is non-existant in European football leagues. Here the professional teams don't have a lower level academy type structure which develops amateurs into future professional players. Most players develop their skills through high school/college teams and then they declare themselves available for the draft. To use a football analogy instead of Porto selling Cristiano Ronaldo to Manchester United for £12 million here it would be like Christian Ronald of Port High School getting picked 1st by the worst team in the MLS last year. The draft pick system is completely unworkable in Europe but here it can make bad teams become better really fast.

Could this work in the States? Or do you only have the MLS, and no second best league?

I am sure the European system could work here it's just that our current system is so culturally ingrained. There are no benefits to switch to European system either. I think both systems are fine. There is no need for one to move to another.
 
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WOO!


Toronto FC just won 3-2 against LA Galaxy down at the Home Dept Centre - and for the first time this season, TFC actually looked like they meant business.


And next week sees the return to BMO Field, for the home opener against Real Salt Lake!

(Given that RSL hammered United 4-0 yesterday, I'm especially hoping that TFC destroy them on Saturday...)
 
WOO!


Toronto FC just won 3-2 against LA Galaxy down at the Home Dept Centre - and for the first time this season, TFC actually looked like they meant business.


And next week sees the return to BMO Field, for the home opener against Real Salt Lake!

(Given that RSL hammered United 4-0 yesterday, I'm especially hoping that TFC destroy them on Saturday...)

And Robert and Guevara looked great! Can't wait to see Ricketts in the midfield as well!
 
Typically the "second division" teams in this country are owned by their respective first division "parents" so there is no reason why they would want to fight to make it into the top division even if they are allowed to.

Yeah, I understand, we have sort of the same thing over here, with many of the high profile teams also having a second tier team. This second tier team can never get any higher than 2 divisions under the first tier team. So when for example Brondy I.F. has their main team in the best league, their second tier team, no matter if they win year after year, can never proceed beyond the 3. best league. This is to prevent the two teams ending up in the same league, for example if the main team one year did so poorly that they were relegated to the second best league, and the second tier team did so good they were promoted from the third best to second best league as well.
Major teams have second tier teams in order to secure actual play time for the players not quite good enough to earn starting positions on the major team. They get a chance to fight for a spot, so to say.

As far as competition goes we have salary caps and revenue sharing which make our leagues actually much more competitive than almost all European football leagues. Our leagues don't have a relegation battle but we do have something better and that is a battle for playoff spots. Every year there are maybe a handful of teams who are tanking it at the end of season but that is because they get more benefits for being worse (higher draft picks next season).

While I can see where you're coming from, I don't agree that salary caps and revenue sharing make your leagues more competitive. Rather I believe that such techniques make your league as a whole much more level, meaning that the differences are balanced out, thus making every year start out more "fair". And while this is incredibly fair and just in many ways, it does not necessarily further competition as such - it just removes one teams ability reap the benefits of long-term investments and general power building.

Why is battle for play-off spots necessarily better? We have a cup, knock-out tournament played alongside the league, in order to secure lower level teams a possibility for advancement and fame.
And you mention teams tanking it - you guys have a carrot at the top, spots in the play-offs, but no stick at the bottom, where we have relegation. So while it's exciting as hell to follow the top 4 teams to see who wins, it's also great fun to follow the bottom 4 teams to se who just exactly stays clear of relegation, who actually gets relegated, and who gets promoted from the second best league.
I have troubling accepting the fact that some teams actually choose to play sub standard in order to gain advantages next year. I prefer when teams try to win every match they play, any other thing is in my eyes not nearly as competitive.

Draft picks is another element that is non-existant in European football leagues. Here the professional teams don't have a lower level academy type structure which develops amateurs into future professional players. Most players develop their skills through high school/college teams and then they declare themselves available for the draft. To use a football analogy instead of Porto selling Cristiano Ronaldo to Manchester United for £12 million here it would be like Christian Ronald of Port High School getting picked 1st by the worst team in the MLS last year. The draft pick system is completely unworkable in Europe but here it can make bad teams become better really fast.

Does this mean that you can't play professionally, not referring to skill but to the difference between paid and non-paid, until you make it into the draft rounds?
How do you handle all the guys not good enough for the majors and maybe even not quite good enough for college sports as well? Is it just tough luck for those guys, or are you able to play in for example a third tier league and still earn a decent enough living?

I am sure the European system could work here it's just that our current system is so culturally ingrained. There are no benefits to switch to European system either. I think both systems are fine. There is no need for one to move to another.

You're right, but I also believe that one shouldn't turns one's back on things that are obviously better, just because of tradition. And that goes both ways. :techman:
 
WOO!


Toronto FC just won 3-2 against LA Galaxy down at the Home Dept Centre - and for the first time this season, TFC actually looked like they meant business.


And next week sees the return to BMO Field, for the home opener against Real Salt Lake!

(Given that RSL hammered United 4-0 yesterday, I'm especially hoping that TFC destroy them on Saturday...)


Dude Toronto played horrible. I would be surprised if they ever win again. The Galaxy are just THAT bad.
 
Well, they got the job done - as they did at home against RSL, winning 1-0.


They will have a tough time tomorrow, though, as the Kansas City Wizards, a team in good form these days, will be visiting BMO Field.

(And the kickoff isn't too early or too late, so I can see it at a deent time here in Ireland - yay!)


Also, TFC signed Olivier Tebily recently - not sure if he'll be ready to start against KC, though.


Plus, after the TFC-KCW match is over, D.C. United will host Real Salt Lake for a rematch, and a United side who should hopefully be more rested and refreshed - and more ready to get back into the right half of the conference table - will hopefully do better against the visitors!
 
Just wondering will EURO 2008 be shown in American and will anyone here be watching ?.
 
Toronto FC win against the Wizards, with 2 goals by Amada Guevara, who was the best player on the park by far for the 90 minutes.

He's a dynamo - sorry, Houston! - and a great addition to TFC this season.


Now, to wait for the kickoff at RFK...
 
Toronto FC win against the Wizards, with 2 goals by Amada Guevara, who was the best player on the park by far for the 90 minutes.

He's a dynamo - sorry, Houston! - and a great addition to TFC this season.


Now, to wait for the kickoff at RFK...



Yes, another great game for TFC! I can't believe how much our revamped midfield has made this team better.
 
Got to say I really like the setup for the MLS website, I've been using it to watch highlights of matches though mainly LA Galaxy. I just saw the 5-2 win of Chivas and got to admit despite scoring an hat trick, Donovan should of been given the straight red card for his "HAND OF GOD" trick.

Though kudos to the ref to allow a player to actually jump up with a keeper and not blow a foul, a refreshing change. Also was it me or did the Chivas pitch look a little uncomfortable for the players.
 
The Chivas pitch?

It would want to be comfortable for both sides - since both CDCUSA and the Galaxy use the Home Depot Centre as their home ground!


D.C. did the business at RFK, beating RSL 4-1, while the Dynamo were beaten 1-0 by Columbus - who are now top of the table!

Also, RBNY won 2-0 against San José, and the Fire beat the Rapids 2-1.


The Eastern Conference is dominant these days - it looks to be quite a struggle for playoff spots in the East this season!
 
D.C. United announced a new five-year sponsorship deal with Volkswagen yesterday - which suddenly makes my sponsor-less jersey somewhat out of date...


...oh well. I like it as it is!

(I'm thinking of ordering the new away jersey with the logo, and leaving the home one as-is.)


Shame United's on-field performances have yet to get going again - and it's not like the Pachuca hangover can be blamed anymore.

Plus, they have a match against the (ironically) red-hot Chicago Fire tomorrow night.

Here's hoping they can get things back on-track!
 
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Just wondering will EURO 2008 be shown in American and will anyone here be watching ?.

All the games are televised on ABC, ESPN, ESPN2, etc. (the Disney owned network and sport channels). Can't say what kind of ratings it will get. I, of course, will Tivo and watch as many games as possible.
 
A big set of matches this week for both TFC and DCU - they play each other in Toronto today, and in Washington D.C. on Saturday.

TFC will have a busy schedule next week, too, with a game in Montréal as part of the Canada Cup on the 27th, and a home game against the Galaxy on the 31st.



But for this week at least, I'll be wearing the DC jersey for one half, and the TFC one for the other - tonight I'm going with the United kit for the first half...
 
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Anyone in America watch the EUROPEAN cup final ???

Also any idea who is going to be in the USA squad to face England ? who do we have to worry about ?
 
U.S. ROSTER BY POSITION
GOALKEEPERS (3): Dominic Cervi (Out of Contract), Brad Guzan (Chivas USA), Tim Howard (Everton FC)

DEFENDERS (8): Carlos Bocanegra (Fulham FC), Dan Califf (FC Midtjylland), Steve Cherundolo (Hannover 96), Jay DeMerit (Watford FC), Oguchi Onyewu (Standard de Liege), Michael Orozco (San Luis), Heath Pearce (Hansa Rostock), Jonathan Spector (West Ham United)

MIDFIELDERS (6): Freddy Adu (SL Benfica), DaMarcus Beasley (Glasgow Rangers), Michael Bradley (SC Heerenveen), Ricardo Clark (Houston Dynamo), Benny Feilhaber (Derby County), Eddie Lewis (Derby County)

FORWARDS (5): Clint Dempsey (Fulham FC), Landon Donovan (Los Angeles Galaxy), Nate Jaqua (Out of Contract), Eddie Johnson (Fulham FC), Josh Wolff (Out of Contract)
The MLS is in season, so this looks to be a largely European based team since there is another game with Spain on June 4. The noted absence from this team is Jozy Altidore, from NY, who could be America's best young striker with time. He would have likely come off the bench however.

I imagine England will have the most problems with Adu and Donovan, depending on how England deals with pace on the day. Dempsey plays better as a midfielder and will show better than his club form, so he may prove dangerous. Bradley has also been playing very well for his Dutch side and may be the most in-form player on that team.

I'm betting on this line up for the Americans:

--------Johnson-------Donovan-------

--Adu-------Bradley---Clark------Dempsey---

---Pearce--Bocanegra--Onyewu----Cherundolo-

--------------Howard---------------


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Good news for USA, Michael Owen is out of the match due to a virus and also Jenas is out due to injury.
 
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