MLB Offseason: CHAM-PI-ONS DO DO, DO DO DO DO

Discussion in 'Sports and Fitness' started by Timby, Oct 31, 2019.

  1. Kronos

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    Pretty much, the owner playing the high and mighty "I won't put up with this!" is hilarious, he knew, everyone freaking knew.

    This probably leads to more cheating as the players know the management guys will be the ones taking the fall.
     
  2. Kronos

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    After Cora gets slammed I fully expect the Dodgers to declare themselves "BEST IN BASEBALL 2017-2018"
     
  3. bigdaddy

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    Did people here really think people wouldn't get fired? The Astros are trying to save face, and money. This is a good way to end contracts. Nothing shocking here.

    I'm waiting to see what the Red Sox do after Cara's Boston cheating comes out.
     
  4. Timby

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    Going back through some past news, Jim Crane promoted his son to some nebulous front-office position the same day Reid Ryan stepped down, and since Crane is in Manfred's inner circle of power-brokers, I'm guessing that the Astros knew this was coming and were making moves in preparation.
     
  5. Scout101

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    I enjoyed the part of the write up where they said that so many players were guilty of cheating that it wasn't worth the effort of punishing any of them at all. Nice to see...

    Beltran, apparently right there with Cora, is getting off scot free, for example. Then again, it's 2 years after the fact, so tough to punish the right people. Punishing Beltran just hurts the Mets, and having to manage the Mets is already Beltran's punishment ;) Bunch of other players have moved on, so suspending any of them just hurts new teams. And sure MLBPA prevents any meaningful punishments or fines anyway...

    What a mess.
     
  6. BillJ

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    Probably difficult to punish current management for something that happened as a player. They likely don't want the MLBPA involved in this, at all.
     
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  8. Timby

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    Oh, c'mon, it's the Tony Clark-led MLBPA. He'd issue a toothless statement about being "deeply disturbed" by Manfred's behavior or some shit, and then do nothing.
     
  9. Mr. Laser Beam

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    And down goes Cora. Linky
     
  10. The Nth Doctor

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    That's two of the last three World Series champions.

    I sure hope the Nats didn't do anything wrong.
     
  11. Scout101

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    Doubt they’ll pick at this too much further, but pretty unlikely that Alex Cora was some rogue genius and no one else thought of doing anything. Been plenty of talk of the Yankees and the center field camera over the years, for example. But makes the public happier if you make an example of someone and then never speak of it again; problem all solved!
     
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  12. Danny99

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    I don't like David Samson, but he made a good point: everyone is doing this. Manfred and the MLB won't pick any deeper because there will be someone on every team who did something unscrupulous.
     
  13. bigdaddy

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    How dare you speak badly of the Yankees! They suck so much they can't even win while cheating. ;)

    But I do agree. This is like drugs, just ignore it way too long.
     
  14. Spider

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    bah humbug

    GO ASTROS!!!!!! :lol:
     
  15. Ar-Pharazon

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    With Cora getting the axe, and maybe he wasn't the brains behind the whole thing or maybe he was.

    So, worse than betting on games ala: Pete Rose or not?
     
  16. Timby

    Timby Game ... OVER! Administrator

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    Not even close to Rose.
     
  17. Jim Klag

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    You have to remember that, since 1920, every major league clubhouse has prominently displayed MLB's rules against consorting with gamblers and gambling of any kind. And the worst sin is gambling on your own team's games. Gambling has been the most egregious sin of MLB employees since the Black Sox scandal. So, no, it is not worse than Pete Rose.
     
  18. JirinPanthosa

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    It’s hilarious to hear the Yankees complain about cheating. Aren’t you the team that won with ARod juicing for a decade?

    These are basically landmark firings. They know everyone is doing it and just need high profile examples to make it stop.
     
  19. Timby

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    I don't think they're "landmark," necessarily, and I get why other owners are grousing about the Astros essentially getting off with a slap on the wrist ($5 million is nothing to Crane).

    I don't think the Astros should have the 2017 title vacated, as some have argued (and it would never happen, because MLB is so far up its own ass about its history, they'd never pretend a World Series got blipped out of existence). I do think they should get clowned on relentlessly for it, and that the coaching staff and front office should get whacked harder than they have been so far.* However, there's a huge difference between garden-variety cheating (which has been part of baseball since forever--we have proud spitballers in the Hall of Fame and Babe Ruth experimented with ram testosterone as a PED) and subverting the actual rules of the game.

    * I'd have banned Luhnow for 3 years, would ban Cora for 5, and if I had the power to pull it off force Crane to sell the team.
     
  20. Scout101

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    I’m still enjoying the logic that the manager deserves a year ban (or longer) for knowing about it and not stopping it, but players that were heavily involved in DOING the horrific act won’t be punished at all because ‘hey, a lot of people were involved, and punishing them would be annoying, so no punishment, we’re good’

    it’s either bad/serious, or not worth perusing, except in this case where it’s both at once. Years’ long bans for some, tsk tsk for others, all doing the same thing. Or actually in this case where the more involved you were, the less you were punished.