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MLB Offseason 2014-15: Wait, pitchers and catchers report WHEN?

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Would argue that the Sox likely think Porcello is their ace, but Buchholz may reclaim that if he is the good Buch instead of the bad Buch. Hard to say who will show up. Either way, he'll likely get the opening day nod out of respect to his having been with the Sox a while.

You could get a bigger laugh about the Yankess thinking the bloated corpse of CC is their ace, but know that Yanks isn't so good at self-evaluation. Maybe Tanaka will be the ace for a month or so until he goes in for TJ surgery? Rest of the Yankees' roster isn't really even worth making fun of, so will let their results speak for themselves. Roster is a retirement home dumpster fire, not sure why he feels he should mock anyone else.

I like the Sox' chances just fine this year. Oh, and we have a farm system and money coming off the books, so plenty of room to swing a trade at the deadline if things need a boost. Plenty of pitchers for rent come July.

I'm great at "self evaluation". Did I say I'm putting any money on it?

Just starting up some good ol' banter, it a baseball thread.

Hell, we can't even seem to keep our 1st baseman healthy.

The Yankees are getting a bit younger, but the change that needs to take place can't happen in one year.

I think we could have a top 10 defense but a bottom ten offense.... but hey, Didi and Drew might figure out how to hit... :D
 
Shields to the Padres at 4 / 75. At that money, every team in the league should have been in on him.
 
Well, that is a contract the Yankees would have jumped all over in the past. I'm glad they didn't in this case. He's 33, and basically a .500 pitcher. Not ace material...
 
He's not getting paid ace money, either. Solid #2 or #3, though. At that price, most teams should have probably be in on it. He tanked his own market with the numbers he put out, and the fake story saying he rejected a 5/110 offer. After that, everyone just moved on.
 
He's not getting paid ace money, either. Solid #2 or #3, though. At that price, most teams should have probably be in on it. He tanked his own market with the numbers he put out, and the fake story saying he rejected a 5/110 offer. After that, everyone just moved on.

Sub .500 record in the play-offs and 0&2 in the most recent World Series probably hurt the "value" too.
 
Well, that is a contract the Yankees would have jumped all over in the past. I'm glad they didn't in this case. He's 33, and basically a .500 pitcher. Not ace material...

Here is a comprehensive list of teams for whom Shields is not a huge upgrade over the fifth-best starter:

Here is a comprehensive list of owners who can’t actually afford Shields:

If the Yankees are serious about contending this year they should have signed him to that contract weeks ago. (So should every other team in baseball.) Shields is real good. He hasn’t missed a turn in eight years, has been above-average in seven of eight, and good to great in the last four, and the best predictor of pitcher health is past health. Shields is about as good as you could hope for when saying, "Boy, it sure would be nice to have a number-two pitcher who is basically guaranteed to give me seven good innings every fifth day."

basically a .500 pitcher

I'll repeat this until you actually listen -- pitcher wins and losses do not fucking matter. A pitcher by definition cannot win a game on his own, because in order to win a game the team must score more runs than the other guys. He can lose a game on his own, but nothing he does can actually influence the "scoring runs" part. Shields' K/9, BB/9, HR/9, WHIP and ERA+ would be welcome in literally every rotation in the league.
 
Well, that is a contract the Yankees would have jumped all over in the past. I'm glad they didn't in this case. He's 33, and basically a .500 pitcher. Not ace material...

Here is a comprehensive list of teams for whom Shields is not a huge upgrade over the fifth-best starter:

Here is a comprehensive list of owners who can’t actually afford Shields:

If the Yankees are serious about contending this year they should have signed him to that contract weeks ago. (So should every other team in baseball.) Shields is real good. He hasn’t missed a turn in eight years, has been above-average in seven of eight, and good to great in the last four, and the best predictor of pitcher health is past health. Shields is about as good as you could hope for when saying, "Boy, it sure would be nice to have a number-two pitcher who is basically guaranteed to give me seven good innings every fifth day."

basically a .500 pitcher

I'll repeat this until you actually listen -- pitcher wins and losses do not fucking matter. A pitcher by definition cannot win a game on his own, because in order to win a game the team must score more runs than the other guys. He can lose a game on his own, but nothing he does can actually influence the "scoring runs" part. Shields' K/9, BB/9, HR/9, WHIP and ERA+ would be welcome in literally every rotation in the league.

Yeah, the pitcher has nothing to do with how many runs are given up... esssssh... To say the pitcher shouldn't be considered WRT wins is like saying the quarterback in the NFL or the goalie in hockey don't fucking matter.

I think your view about pitchers and wins is wrong. I looked at his "numbers". "Big game James" hasn't been so "big game" lately.

"and the best predictor of pitcher health is past health" .... don't agree. Look at CC.... look at Tanaka before the Yankees got him.... by that logic neither would ever miss anything.

I'm glad the Yankees didn't spring for this one. Our luck he's break by the all-star break.
 
I'll repeat this until you actually listen -- pitcher wins and losses do not fucking matter. A pitcher by definition cannot win a game on his own, because in order to win a game the team must score more runs than the other guys. He can lose a game on his own, but nothing he does can actually influence the "scoring runs" part. Shields' K/9, BB/9, HR/9, WHIP and ERA+ would be welcome in literally every rotation in the league.

Yeah, the pitcher has nothing to do with how many runs are given up... esssssh... To say the pitcher shouldn't be considered WRT wins is like saying the quarterback in the NFL or the goalie in hockey don't fucking matter.

A pitcher by definition cannot win a game because he only impacts one half of the game. I'll continue to repeat this until you stop clinging to an outdated antiquated statistic popularized only because Henry Chadwick thought of it a hundred and twenty years ago. A pitcher win or a loss tells us nothing of his actual performance. Case in point: Jeff Samardzija was one of the top three pitchers in baseball in the first few months of the year. Despite throwing lights-out, sub-2.00 ERA baseball, he didn't get his second win until May 26 because the Cubs were and are a fucking tire fire.

Wins literally tell us nothing. A 20-win pitcher with a WHIP of 2 and an ERA+ of 80 is a worse pitcher than a guy with ten wins but an ERA+ of 135 and a sub-1 WHIP.
 
Shields to the Padres at 4 / 75. At that money, every team in the league should have been in on him.

Any idea what the Cubs' offer was? (assuming there was an actual offer)

Seems like competitive AAV at 3 years 60M.

Heyman says Cubs offered 3 years plus vesting option late.

I'm shocked (well, not shocked, but saddened) that they didn't go into the 70s. It's not like they don't have the money. Unless they're planning on aiming the money cannon at some permutation of Price / Zimmermann / Cueto / Latos / Fister next winter.
 
...or Moncada?

The Cubs seem to be committed to running with Castro, which is just incredibly moronic, but they also did cough up Samardzija for Addison Russell, which tells me they feel their middle infield is set.
 
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Any idea what the Cubs' offer was? (assuming there was an actual offer)

Seems like competitive AAV at 3 years 60M.

Heyman says Cubs offered 3 years plus vesting option late.

I'm shocked (well, not shocked, but saddened) that they didn't go into the 70s. It's not like they don't have the money. Unless they're planning on aiming the money cannon at some permutation of Price / Zimmermann / Cueto / Latos / Fister next winter.

Zimmerman would be nice.

...or Moncada?

iFA spending restrictions mean the Cubs could not sign him until July. (Which is possible but unlikely)
 
The 2017 All-Star Game will be held at Marlins Park.

The Home Run Derby plus the Dinger Machine will be the greatest thing ever.
 
Does it really matter, though? Imagine it means we'll get a rush of AL parks eventually to even it out. Suspect it just means more NL parks are newer and getting rewarded for it recently.
 
^Yeah, apart from Target Field and new Yankee Stadium, all the new parks dating back to the beginning of this century have been built in the NL. It makes sense to highlight them.
 
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