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Miranda-class pods?

SicOne

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Have we ever seen pods on the "roll-bars" of the Miranda-class other than the torpedo pod as seen on the USS Reliant? I know we've not seen them in the movies or shows, but I was wondering if they'd appeared in a comic book, a magazine, or a fan film or fan-made artwork.

Stands to reason as the Nebula has a tactical pod and an AWACS-like pod, that the Miranda might also have some pod variants.

Of course I want links to it...
 
There are a lot of fandom variants on that pod, but nothing official that I know of. The closest is an FX error that crept into DS9 which wound up making the pod a second impulse deck - and that, of course, sparked debate.
 
When in DS9 was that? I don't recall, but I'd be interested in seeing it. Errors can be amusing. :D The Endurance class frigates from SotSF have a variant pod, as well as sensor extensions on the nacelles for exploration purposes IIRC.
 
I recall a variant pod in the Starship Creator game that was out for PC forever ago. It was one of the pod types you could put on your starship.

Star Trek: Online also has some variant pods, much in the same vein, but they're quite similar to the stock pod.
 
There are a lot of fandom variants on that pod, but nothing official that I know of. The closest is an FX error that crept into DS9 which wound up making the pod a second impulse deck - and that, of course, sparked debate.

I can't recall seeing that, but now that you mention it, the USS Trial had the torpedo pod installed backwards. Come to think of it, I remember an article on azteching in "Fine Scale Modeler" by a guy who had put the pod backwards on his Reliant model. It's been way too long, I don't remember how easy it was to make that mistake.
 
Here's one shot of those "impulse-booster" pods on no fewer than three Mirandas:

http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/6x26/tearsofthephrophets_474.jpg

It also looks as if the central thingamabob between the now red-glowing areas is differently shaped here, forming a constant vertical ridge rather than the usual pointy "radome", which we see in this later shot of a "standard" pod from the same episode:

http://ds9.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/6x26/tearsofthephrophets_656.jpg

I guess it's a valid modification; it's not as if we haven't seen ships with extra engines bolted onto them before...

http://tng.trekcore.com/gallery/albums/s2/2x04/okona006.jpg

Timo Saloniemi
 
^^^ Holy crap! I must have seen that ep at least 10 times and never saw the secondary impulse engines. VERY cool! Never noticed the reverse-rollbar, either. Thanks for the links!

If anyone is interested in other fan-made designs with alternate configurations, most of them could be found in the Frigates section.
 
FWIW, since the Trial co-opts the registry that rightfully belongs to the smaller Daran family frigate Le Malin, we might say that the Le Malin was later altered (slightly enlarged, and given that fancy TNG-style sensor rim for the saucer) for "trial purposes", and somebody at Starfleet wanted to be funny. :)

The nonstandard, indeed unique Le Malin wouldn't have been able to fit a standard Miranda roll bar the right way forward, so perhaps this dictated a reverse fit. :vulcan:

Timo Saloniemi
 
Jackill's work suggests that some of the frigates have an "expanded" hull module for more shuttle capacity and such, and I'm not sure how difficult that sort of modification would be but I think it could be done. Following the same lines, it's easy to imagine that Sisko's Saratoga was the modified vessel originally seen in TVH, and was given a new registry as the lead ship of a new subclass which uses the modifications seen in "Emissary."
 
What I don't get is...
Why would the DS9 FX guys make a special modification like the "impulse booster" pod? The mod is hardly noticable, and in fact you'd need a screencap (as provided here) to even catch it.

With so much going on in those fleet scenes, and the Mirandas so much background action... why bother changing the existing model/CGI?

Oh it's good and all... just can't see why they'd take the time to make a change like that and it won't hardly get noticed (or even matter).

Bigger and more important FX slip-ups went unnoticed, yet they took time to do stuff like this. I can't figure it.
 
I have a picture of a variant that had the entire roll bar removed. In that case it was called the "Knox Class". I'm sure there were other names for it. Being such an old ship, couldn't the Miranda class be down graded weapon-wise and turned into a Freighter? If so many such ships exist, they could be turned over to the civilian fleet with the military hardware removed.
 
The Knox is a fan creation (one of Todd Guenther's) that has a slightly smaller hull than the Miranda.

http://www.shipschematics.net/startrek/images/federation/frigate_knox_proposed.jpg

Turning a warship into a freighter might be difficult. Recently, surplus USN Oliver Hazard Perry frigates, probably the most modular and generic surplus warship available (and perhaps a good analogy for Miranda in other ways as well), were considered for conversion into Coast Guard high endurance cutters, a minor change in role that would mainly entail abandoning some original operating modes and systems, not adopting new ones. That proved to be too complicated and expensive... Not due to the costs of operating a former warship as a USCG vessel, but due to the costs of conversion alone!

To turn a Perry into a freighter would mean major reworking of interiors, resulting in a ship that was struggling with the weight of the load and consuming excessive amounts of fuel in doing so. I guess a Miranda would make for a piss-poor freighter, too. Some sort of a special military transport, though... Perhaps a vessel that can carry a smallish load very fast and under fire, for assault or siege-breaking purposes? The navies of WWII and the Korean war built those out of surplus destroyers.

We might look farther back, too, and decide that the torpedo-less Miranda we saw in "Unnatural Selection" was a transport in the same sense as the sailing ships of the 15th century were. That is, armed to the teeth (if only with phasers in this case) because hauling of cargo in the frontier wilderness is more dangerous than fighting in a battle line...

Timo Saloniemi
 
If anyone is interested in other fan-made designs with alternate configurations, most of them could be found in the Frigates section.

Gebirg, thanks for the link to that schematic site! I had forgotten that site still existed!

Heh...I sometimes forget it's there myself and I own the bloody thing! :)

Planning a big Yamato update in the coming months once I acquire all the Official Fact Files from Japan. I'm up to 43 now and I think there will be 70 total. I will have a few BSG and Trek updates to include at that time as well.
 
I've often been amazed by the quantity of your Trek updates - it always appears that you already have the complete set of publicly available schematics, and then you manage to find a dozen more...

Nevertheless, between your site and Cygnus X-1, most of the otherwise lost past treasures would seem to be available online now. But I'm looking forward to getting better views of the STXI ships some day ("better" meaning "more reliable on nitpicky detail", as the current works look otherwise gorgeous), and perhaps a complete collection of alien ships as available through Drexler or Eaves' blogs...

Funny that nobody has done an extensive selection of Miranda pods yet, though. There's all sorts of stuff on modular add-ons to Probert's TMP shuttles or workbees, after all.

I could easily see Starfleet doing

* a recovery pod with a tractor beam and/or mechanical grapples
* a grapple for those Ptolemy containers
* a sensor pod
* a berth for an auxiliary craft of some sort, possibly a landing barge
* a fightercraft or drone nest
* a weapons upgrade pod with more modern armaments, say, phaser strips
* those booster impulse engines...

Timo Saloniemi
 
^^^ Thanks for the kind words Timo! :)

I have actually managed to capture all the orthos on Doug's site (THAT took some doing!) and posted it on the SSDB, with his blessings (always grateful for that!) I even took it upon myself to make a non-tanker variant of the Klingon D-5 (the only one I know of in existence on the web at present). It's not 100% accurate, as there were subtle differences between the two types, but it works.

I, too, would love to see more of the background ships from STXI. There seems to be some confusion out there about which ones are which (particularly the Armstrong and Mayflower), stemming from the art book that was published last year and what has come out since from apparently official channels. I'm still sticking with the LightWorks renderings for now until a more definitive source can be acquired.

Re: Grapples for Ptolemy/tug containers, I did up something many, many years ago called the USS Shrike for just that purpose. It's roots are clearly Miranda-esque with some extra additions along with (I forgot I had done this) a forward-mounted torpedo pod much like the one shown on that DS9 image earlier in the thread - and I think I made this one back in the late 80's. I always thought the Miranda-style space-frame was perfectly suited for cargo transportation due to the large amount of flat surface area available on its ventral side.
 
There's also the Hensley tug that's made out of a Daran simply by adding two ventral grapples between the nacelles. Was that Jackill's? (Checks you-know-where) Yup.

A grappler "roll bar" would be nice in that it would require no modification of the actual ship; a Miranda could unship her torpedoes at a starbase and take a cargo sling, haul a couple of those big cylinder containers to the next starbase, and get a sensor pod there to do a survey.

That is, assuming that the roll bars are swappable to begin with. It might not be something one can do in minutes or hours, or repeat too many times during the structural life of a ship, but it could still be a design feature that allows for changing of role.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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