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Microsoft's new "I'm a PC" ad

Oh, now, don't be that way. Can't you feel the all-encompassing love of Microsoft? Aren't we all PCs, stronger together because of our blandy genaricism? Submit yourself to the group. Allow yourself to be taken to the place where your identity and that of your tools become one. Join in the everlasting chorus of Windows. One of us, one of us...
Uh-huh and saying every single PC user is a short, podgy, suit-wielding white man is not homogenization at all.

Don't be ridiculous. Seriously, don't. It perturbs my digestion.

Have you ever met anyone who started sneezing when his computer got a virus? Have you ever met anyone who stopped talking midsentence because of a crash? How about a computer user who referred to himself as having a power cord? Or that guy who starts speaking japanese because he's using a Sony or Nikon camera?

No? Didn't think so. Yet, somehow, despite the fact that the spokesmen in the Mac ads explicitly refer to themselves as computers, and refer to themselves doing the sort of computer-specific things I've listed above, you've somehow become married to the idea that they represent computer users. Moreover, they are intended to be representative of all computer users, which is just a weird interpretation of advertising. Somewhere between my becoming convinced that Coke is literally trying to tell me there are actually tiny elves in my refrigerator that assemble each can just before I pick it out and thinking only biracial hawaiians are supposed to vote democratic.

You may notice that the Windows ads are emphasizing differences in their user base whereas the Apple ads always espouse the same "hip" portrayal of their users.

Computers. The Apple ads are about computers. I'm going to keep saying this until you accept it or point to something in the text which explicitly points to a certain pair of comedians are representing living human beings instead of inanimate objects and the impressions that they've gathered around them.

And, as already mentioned, when Apple was doing ads about users, it was a fairly diverse cross-section.

Don't even try to pull the homogenization card on Windows users. I spent 4 years on a college campus and the Mac users were the most annoying, arrogant self-love groups around.

I guess you didn't have NORML and this was before Paultards.* Indeed, in my current experience, referring to Mac users as a "group" on campus makes about sense as referring to "people with brown hair" as a bloc. Anyway, go on.

Once I was subjected to a 17 year old freshman demanding an Apple from her parents the day she moved in just because her roommate had one (she owned a Sony VAIO).

What a pity it wasn't ten years earlier, when you could see her ask for a "real" computer instead of some "Mac toy" upon seeing her roommate's delightfully chunky IBM with that little pencil-eraser pointer thing. The wheel turns, does it not?

I'm proud of being a PC-owner because I'm sick of Apple users painting themselves as the alternate savior to the world's problems that have been caused by an evil Microsoft.

And I buy store brand orange juice because I want it to stick it to those smarmy bastards at Tropicana. That, or I think it tastes better.

Apple's policies are significantly worse the MS' ever will be. They would be a tremendously harmful monopoly if they ever gained the same market share that MS enjoys today.

Oh, amen to that. Why, I long for the day when Apple releases a piece of hardware with such an embarrassingly high rate of failure that they triple their free service period. No, wait, that already happened with MobileMe. However, they still have to acquire a reputation as being so shoddy that even their greatest partisans put off major upgrades until the company release enough free updates to make it usable.

Finally, I'm an old hand at the computer wars. Bleed in six colors and all that. And even with all that, I have to say, you're just a tad too invested in this fight. The '90s are over. Mac users no longer have to justify their decisions to a derisive and unsympathetic world. And Windows users never had to justify themselves. Let's just all get the hell over it and be friends.

*To be clear, only certain, extremely annoying Ron Paul supporters qualify as Paultards. Apparently, everyone who uses a Mac is a whiny rich princess, though.

Why do you upgrade to OSX? Jaguar? Leopard? Why?
Snow Leopard is next. Why upgrade? Apple even calls it "the most dramatic upgrade for your Mac".
How?

Just before the release of Leopard, there was what was affectionately nicknamed the Sparta List of 300 new features and improvements. Several of these, like Time Machine, got star-billing in the advertising copy. Admittedly, Snow Leopard will be a rather harder sell, having few to none highly visible features like Exposé or Dashboard. I'd imagine the ultimate ad campaign will center upon what it is: Under the hood improvements, tune-ups, and future-proofing.
 
Why do you upgrade to OSX? Jaguar? Leopard? Why?

Mostly because someone in the family just got a new iBook that came with it, and everyone else says "gimme gimme gimme".

Actually, though, I haven't yet upgraded to Leopard, I'm still on Tiger. I don't think upgrading to Leopard makes sense for PowerPC-based Macs, since it eliminates Classic mode unnecessarily.
 
Why do you upgrade to OSX? Jaguar? Leopard? Why?

Mostly because someone in the family just got a new iBook that came with it, and everyone else says "gimme gimme gimme".

Actually, though, I haven't yet upgraded to Leopard, I'm still on Tiger. I don't think upgrading to Leopard makes sense for PowerPC-based Macs, since it eliminates Classic mode unnecessarily.

I put Leopard on my Powerbook, works nice. But I got it for free from working for Apple. On my own I usually only do every other OSX upgrade, unless it's substantial.
 
I would contribute my own thoughts to this mess, but David cgc does it better than I ever could. :lol:
 
Well, things seem as entrenched as always. Time to move on, I suppose. Might be worth looking into the issue again in a generation or two.

One last comment on the Apple ads, though (can't resist). If the two guys are merely computers and nothing else, then I'd love somebody to show me a fable that's about animals or plants.
 
Eh, I play FPSes and RTSes on my TiBook all the time. Not so much multiplayer (the thing is 6 years old, I'd lose just based on that alone), but singleplayer is no problem.

There are keyboard shortcuts you learn instead of using a second button. Or you can just set up control-click to do what a second button would do. The reflexes are different, but I'm not convinced they're any less effective.

This is a peripheral discussion, but that's not really adaptation of controls, that's really a forced concession. Sort of like the addition of auto-aim for console FPSes to make up for the lack of precision and speed.

I mean, technically we don't need keyboards with 104 keys. As cellphones have shown, we just need the number pad and we can type all the characters in the English language by tapping various buttons several times. 1ABC 2DEF etc.
That doesn't mean that I wouldn't rather have a full keyboard on my cellphone.
 
Well, things seem as entrenched as always. Time to move on, I suppose. Might be worth looking into the issue again in a generation or two.

One last comment on the Apple ads, though (can't resist). If the two guys are merely computers and nothing else, then I'd love somebody to show me a fable that's about animals or plants.

The problem is that this is just like the whole console warz thing. We'll never get past the debate.

The stupid thing is, MS probably still owns shares of Apple stock from when MS had to save their asses back in the 90s. So does it really matter?
 
Hah, sports are probably the worst example of the human race's ability to stubbornly take a position and stand by it no matter how irrational.
 
Eh, I play FPSes and RTSes on my TiBook all the time. Not so much multiplayer (the thing is 6 years old, I'd lose just based on that alone), but singleplayer is no problem.

There are keyboard shortcuts you learn instead of using a second button. Or you can just set up control-click to do what a second button would do. The reflexes are different, but I'm not convinced they're any less effective.

This is a peripheral discussion, but that's not really adaptation of controls, that's really a forced concession. Sort of like the addition of auto-aim for console FPSes to make up for the lack of precision and speed.

I mean, technically we don't need keyboards with 104 keys. As cellphones have shown, we just need the number pad and we can type all the characters in the English language by tapping various buttons several times. 1ABC 2DEF etc.
That doesn't mean that I wouldn't rather have a full keyboard on my cellphone.

You're assuming multiple buttons are actually an improvement. I'm not convinced that's the case. It's fairly impossible when it comes to games, really, but for most other aspect of computer usage, I prefer keyboard shortcuts to using the mouse entirely. It's just faster. Of course, I'm not quite ready to go 100% command-line like some people do.....

The problem is that this is just like the whole console warz thing.

And the ridiculous bullshit sports rivalries like Yankees/Sox. :rolleyes:

Yeah, I never really understood the whole obsession with sports. They're just a bunch of teams. Since they trade people around every year, they're not even consistent teams, so the whole thing is fairly meaningless.

Oh, and Yankees suck!
 
Well, it's different. With games, you want to have instantaneous access to as many functions as possible so having more buttons only helps.

An example I would use is with Battlefield Bad Company. One strategy in Battlefield is to drive a tank up to the enemy and then switch between the gunner and driver positions. Unfortunately, because of the limited number of buttons on a gamepad, you can only switch positions linearly. Which in most cases isn't a problem unless you have a vehicle with 4 spots instead of 2. At that point, you have to exit the vehicle and re-enter it. It's not game breaking, but it's tremendously annoying.

Even in terms of computing, even though I typically don't use a mouse, there's something to be said for having a mouse that has both a scroll wheel and back/forward buttons. It's perfect for web page navigation, for example.
Indeed, one thing I noticed is that while all browsers use "Backspace" for going "back", no browser has implemented a button for going "forward". It could be something that I've missed, but again, it's just another small annoyance.
 
Still, they just try too hard to look effortless.

They'll just never be simple, hip or friendly. They're Microsoft.

--Ted

They were just illustrating the fact that Apple is indeed laughable with its hip image. Microsoft has a 90% (+) world marketshare on operating systems. That's what all the "I'm a PC..." comments were about. Quite clever if I do say so myself.
 
Indeed, one thing I noticed is that while all browsers use "Backspace" for going "back", no browser has implemented a button for going "forward". It could be something that I've missed, but again, it's just another small annoyance.

Command-left and command-right do that in Firefox.

Trubinator said:
Microsoft has a 90% (+) world marketshare on operating systems. That's what all the "I'm a PC..." comments were about.

But.....that's not news to anyone.

Then again, repeating the bloody obvious in a vain attempt to seem helpful does seem to be Microsoft's style, doesn't it?

"Click here to start", pointing at the Start menu, indeed.....
 
Still, they just try too hard to look effortless.

They'll just never be simple, hip or friendly. They're Microsoft.

--Ted

They were just illustrating the fact that Apple is indeed laughable with its hip image. Microsoft has a 90% (+) world marketshare on operating systems. That's what all the "I'm a PC..." comments were about. Quite clever if I do say so myself.

It's safe bet Honda has a much bigger marketshare in the car market than Porsche does. So I guess it matches up, quantity does not equal quality. Steve Jobs has even said is goal for Apple is to be the Porsche of the computer industry.
 
Then again, repeating the bloody obvious in a vain attempt to seem helpful does seem to be Microsoft's style, doesn't it?

"Click here to start", pointing at the Start menu, indeed.....

And let's not forget those little dialogue boxes that pop up when you insert a CD, DVD or thumb drive telling you you've inserted a CD, DVD or thumb drive.... :p
 
Why do you upgrade to OSX? Jaguar? Leopard? Why?

My first Mac had Panther. I upgraded to Tiger because they gave it to me for free (I bought my Mac within a couple of weeks of Tiger being released). I upgraded to Leopard day of release.

Why ? Because it had features I wanted - specifically Time Machine, Spaces and Dashcode.

Snow Leopard is next. Why upgrade? Apple even calls it "the most dramatic upgrade for your Mac".
How?

That I am not so sold on as it is mainly an under-the-hood release but from a software engineer's perspective the improvements do sound interesting.
 
Yet another thread derailed by generally the same group of individuals driven by the absurd notion that two different operating systems, not even different CPU architectures anymore (RISC vs. CISC), are worth squabbling over. :(

As a developer, that's the least of my concerns. Try developing for the Wii and you'll have a newfound appreciation for something to bitch about. :)

-Jamman
 
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