please define for me what a refridgerator girl is.
Men Are The Expendable Gender
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Where did I do any such thing ?
As I said, I haven't seen the movie so I can't comment on it too much. You gave the impression that you had seen it.
I'll give the movie the benefit of the doubt and assume that Moore's character fights to become a front line infantry soldier because she feels it's unfair that men are asked to put their lives at risk in a way no woman would be asked to and that she's a champion of men's rights.
Yeah, that doesn't sound like the sort of movie that gets made at all ever to me either.
Yes, yes she was.
She was a refrigerator girl too. So it's alive and well. So I don't see why you'd say otherwise.
See the part where Batman chooses to save her and not Dent. To the film's hero, Dent is expendable, Dawes is not. The fact that he is tricked and fails is irrelevant.
Your exact wording was "unless her reason for signing up in the first place is to show some sort of solidarity with the men who fight and die serving their countries, which I somehow doubt is the case, the whole concept is rather disrespectful towards those men." Which is not 'giving it the benefit of the doubt'.
She couldn't act honourably in any circumstances, under your rules, because she's female.
See nothing. The plot determines who is expendable and why. Harvey has a character arc, he has to become Twoface. Dawes is a facilitation for that arc and a source of tension regarding Bruce's desire to return to a normal life - she is quite literally defined solely by her importance to two men.
It's frankly specious to say otherwise.
It was actually invented by comic book writer Gail Simone based on a woman who was quite literally stuffed in to a refridgerator.
Problem is that it makes my point for me. Women's lives are presented as having greater value than men's.
The term "women in refrigerators" essentially came from a DC comic book - the Green Lantern issue in which Kyle (Green Lantern) Raynor's girlfriend - Alexandra - was killed by Mongul (an old Superman baddie turned GL baddie) who stuffed her inside Kyle's fridge. Basically it was an utterly pointless death. But it did have a point. To give the "dead girl" trope a name. And hence when a woman dies solely for a plot point she is now known as a....
Woman in a Refrigerator
Woman in a Refrigerator
Then how on earth is it something you generally reject? It's either so or it ain't.
Hardly. She's perfectly capable but that's just not the sort of movie Hollywood makes. I would love it if they did!
Maybe they did. You don't know. In any case the point I was making was the one line in the film pertinent to your argument. Which you chose to ignore.
Read my whole original post instead of selectively quoting it. The article I link to changed my mind.
I used to disagree with it, now I see it as an example of how male lives are devalued.
Because I haven't seen it and don't know who the 'they' in the line refers to! A bit more context helps.
So it can only be something you agree with provided it regards male discrimination?
Maybe if I can construe women's suffrage as an issue of vital importance to right injustices given to men we might get somewhere...
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This is the crucial point, I think. Men are the expendable gender because men make it so. Men define the qualities they value in themselves and in women.
It all comes back to biology. The male runs the show because he is physically more powerful than the female. The female plays by the rules because she needs the long-term support of the male for the rigours of pregnancy, birth, and the raising of offspring. The male needs only sexual access to the female. The male simply has a better bargaining position, and the result is the near uniform development of patriarchal societies all over the globe.
The 'women and children first' thing is simply the sociocultural extension of the fact that men are biologically (i.e. reproductively) more expendable than women are. One male can impregnate as many females as are available, whereas female reproductive capacity is independent of the number of males available. A demographic shock that significantly reduces the number of males in the population is far more survivable than one than significantly reduces the number of females.
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Hermiod and his "girls issues".
I do not have to define men's issues in a way that helps women.
I disagreed with the WiR idea, yes. Then this article made me think about the subject differently. I had an opinion, I heard a counter argument and was convinced to change my position. Is that some sort of great crime now?
And ?
Been there, done that.
