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Medicine in the 24th century

Lady Mondegreen

Lieutenant Commander
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It always strikes me while watching TNG how inconsistent the development of medical technology seems to be: we frequently see people undergo drastic physical transformations through surgery, Picard has a fully-functioning artificial heart that rarely malfunctions, lifespans have been greatly extended with it being seemingly the norm to live past 100, and normal sickness appears to have been all but eliminated, at least within Starfleet and in affluent parts of the Federation...

But then some stuff appears to have been changed very little. No major advances in birth control, it seems, given how often accidental children seem to pop up (you'd think at least the implant would be mainstream by then); it's hugely inconsistent how we can deal with disability (Geordi's VISOR allows a blind person to see, but there's nothing like a mechanical exoskeleton that could allow Worf full mobility after he's paralyzed, for example); and we see people die from injuries less severe than Picard suffered in his academy days all the time.

I know the answer to pretty much any discrepancy is "because plot" or "because different writers," but is any of this addressed in any of the fiction?
 
It always strikes me while watching TNG how inconsistent the development of medical technology seems to be: we frequently see people undergo drastic physical transformations through surgery, Picard has a fully-functioning artificial heart that rarely malfunctions, lifespans have been greatly extended with it being seemingly the norm to live past 100, and normal sickness appears to have been all but eliminated, at least within Starfleet and in affluent parts of the Federation...

But then some stuff appears to have been changed very little. No major advances in birth control, it seems, given how often accidental children seem to pop up (you'd think at least the implant would be mainstream by then); it's hugely inconsistent how we can deal with disability (Geordi's VISOR allows a blind person to see, but there's nothing like a mechanical exoskeleton that could allow Worf full mobility after he's paralyzed, for example); and we see people die from injuries less severe than Picard suffered in his academy days all the time.

I know the answer to pretty much any discrepancy is "because plot" or "because different writers," but is any of this addressed in any of the fiction?

For birth control, we know human males can get regular injections. Cassidy got pregnant after Ben missed one. The rest really shouldn't matter anyway; as we've seen the transporter de-age people several times. The cure for anything beyond the current medical technology should by all rights just be beam somewhere and reform yourself in a previously saved pattern.
 
One thing to consider about birth control in that era is because of replicators and large planets with a lot of space to live, having more children doesn't mean a drain on resources like it would on Earth now. So birth control probably isn't a priority, in addition to the injections mentioned above.

Regarding Worf's paralyzation example, Klingon physiology is so much more complex than a human's with all those redudancies that an exoskeleton or other things might not work on him.

But your point does have merit. I don't think it's really been addressed at length in the shows.
 
It always strikes me while watching TNG how inconsistent the development of medical technology seems to be: we frequently see people undergo drastic physical transformations through surgery, Picard has a fully-functioning artificial heart that rarely malfunctions, lifespans have been greatly extended with it being seemingly the norm to live past 100, and normal sickness appears to have been all but eliminated, at least within Starfleet and in affluent parts of the Federation...

I don't recall many instances of drastic physical transformation surgeries - but I recall they got Picard dressed up as a Romulan, which seems silly as most planets would have sensors to show different species about.

Picard's artificial heart is the sort of futuristic advancement that feels plausible. The number of times they wave a blue-glowing flashlight whose ray resembles season 5's title credits bit looked too much like idle fantasy and magic wand waving. A few times they would say "the spot will remain tender for a while" and thank Apollo regarding the knitter scene in "Contagion" between Dr. Pulaski and her nurse. (directed sonic waves stimulating rapid, controlled bone growth and without causing cancer seems borderline fantasy but at least they gave that device (never used on screen) a proper name.

On-screen in TNG, it's said on multiple occasions poverty is eliminated in the Federated worlds so there's some redundancy in your last sentence.

But then some stuff appears to have been changed very little. No major advances in birth control, it seems, given how often accidental children seem to pop up (you'd think at least the implant would be mainstream by then);

Given Roddenberry's known beliefs, unless they changed since that Inside Star Trek record release from 1976, I'm sure more episode would have discussed the issue - except the show was quick to figure out it should be for full families, with sex kept minimal. Shame that was after "Justice", which may also have been a catalyst in the show's change of heart on that topic... that said, enough episodes implied Riker was going at it more than Kirk ever had... so it's a bit of a cheat to pretend that practical solutions and mitigations did not exist. There is no herd immunity for syphilis, gonorrhea, herpes, HIV, NRS*, UBT**, etc.

* See the 1993 movie "Demolition Man" for more
** see the previous asterisk for more

it's hugely inconsistent how we can deal with disability (Geordi's VISOR allows a blind person to see, but there's nothing like a mechanical exoskeleton that could allow Worf full mobility after he's paralyzed, for example); and we see people die from injuries less severe than Picard suffered in his academy days all the time.

The VISOR was just a step away from becoming a protoBorg... I do recall that "The Masterpiece Society", despite otherwise being a masterpiece of contrived trash, had some excellent scenes directly involving Geordi that not only cover multiple issues both directly related to plot and tangential ones beautifully, but also remind how even crap episodes have standout set pieces. It takes a lot for any episode to be the truest of barrel-scrapings.

That said, the technology was always available at the speed of plot. Or redundant brain stems too. "Ethics" should have not going the magical ending route as Worf's recovery subplot was strong enough on its own.

As for dying of less severe injuries, it's still a matter of getting to a person in time regardless of severity, and while TNG shows a lot of advancements, every society has various lapses it would not have considered. It's been said the Aztecs - who developed ingenious ways to cultivate crops and other positive aspects, never thought of "the wheel" - at least in terms of assisting in mass transportation. Their art features circles but that's not quite the same thing. Of course, negative aspects also existed - that's getting beyond the scope of the ultimate point in that any society might not recognize multiple uses for advancements or other issues. So one could argue that, in universe, they hadn't thought of it in other ways. In terms of a constructed fictional show, the scriptwriters forgot for whatever reason.

I know the answer to pretty much any discrepancy is "because plot" or "because different writers," but is any of this addressed in any of the fiction?

Because different writers didn't care or didn't have time, or because of plot necessity, the end result is still a story that still has to work within a limited time frame and arcs and multi-part stories weren't considered (in general, or in relation to the story's comparatively parochial content. Worf's not going to get a three-part story to go through his plight. Picard does, but the Borg demolishing the entire Federation is sufficiently epic by comparison... even then, there are bound to be plot holes that would render an easier and faster outcome for the story - or no story at all - if implemented. Is the story entertaining enough? If so then the plot holes and nitpicks just seem easier to overlook. And that's up to the individuals watching the show based on their own individual tastes and expectations. Heck, I'm one of four people who prefers TBOBW part two over part one, because it's not a traditional plot that was set up well (part one) but went down an unexpected road to conclude that was fairly ingenious... also, thank Unix for that as they had sleep mode long before Windows implemented it for laptops, albeit in a different sort of way! :devil: )
 
For birth control, we know human males can get regular injections. Cassidy got pregnant after Ben missed one.

The way it was treated in dialogue rather allows us to think it was deliberate - he wanted a child while she wasn't so sure yet. And again by the tone of things, it didn't quite amount to being abusive either way.

Similarly, but with darker overtones, whenever Gul Dukat had children with Bajorans, we might argue it was deliberate but not bilaterally so: either he wanted extra leverage, or she did, in this forbidden liaison. This would more probably involve the secretive use of proceptives than disuse of contraceptives, though.

Timo Saloniemi
 
The two surgery examples I had in my head:
  • In Homeward, where Dr. Crusher does some very fast surgeries on Worf that appear to completely remove and reattach parts of his facial anatomy
  • In Genesis, where Dr. Crusher's face is stated to have been pretty much entirely melted by Worf's acid breath, but she's totally fine at the end of the episode
 
To be fair, the first might tell us more about Worf's facial anatomy than about surgery.

That is, we know, even though the Klingons don't like to discuss it much, that Klingon ridges are a somewhat transient thing. Might well be there's an essentially human skull underneath, and removing or adding the ridges is little different from the prosthetics work Michael Dorn undergoes to achieve the effect.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Yeah... to look at Klingon ridges, you'd assume they were bony, but their history of having looked human, & Worf's ease of transformation into looking human, in Homeward, tend to lend more credence to the notion that they're merely tissue in nature, & as easily alterable as a Romulan getting plastic surgery to mascarade as human, or vice versa.

What's weird is that one wonders why someone as obsessed with youth as Mark Jameson would've let his appearance age so profoundly in the 1st place, when rearranging face tissue is so easy for them

I also think about the unlikliness of how they managed to vastly extend human longevity, but seemingly without altering the human aging rate. While they've somewhat extended health into geriatric years, as we can see a 70+ Picard is still negligibly different from him at 50, but not as much as the longevity factor, because 90+ Picard is looking rather elderly

Which means that a person is likely to spend a third or more of their life being elderly. In reality, if we ever extend longevity to their lengths, it'll be because we've effected the aging factor somehow, & a centenarian won't look old, which does happen in Star Trek with other species, like El-Aurians, or even ones with a shared origin, like Vulcans. After all, Spock at 63 in TUC looks no different from Spock at 138 in Unification
 
Then again, Picard was ill. I mean, with all sorts of illnesses mentioned over the course of the series, not just Irumodic. His heart had been stabbed. His brain had been forced to live through a whole extra lifetime. All sorts of aliens had messed with his body.

Possibly Starfleet officers are piss-poor examples of how to live long and prosper in general?

Jameson was ill, too. Perhaps his looks kept changing so rapidly due to his ailment that keeping up with keeping it up with surgery just wasn't worth the effort? But had he undergone surgery, this might have been reversed by the weird alien potion, too - after all, it did other physiologically unlikely things such as changing the color of his hair.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Illness is a good point, especially in Picard's case, who had most of his worst stuff done to him after 50. Then again, 64 year old Riker doesn't look any healthier than my 64 year old granddad did in 1976 lol. :guffaw:
 
To be fair, we have no idea just how much he went through while commanding the Stargazer. He was captain there for 22 years. He could have gone through some really nasty things during that time.
 
I feel it my duty to point out that the "22 years as captain" bit is basically pure fanfic.

All we know from the episodes themselves is that the Stargazer was both the first ship Picard served on and the the first ship he commanded. Those things could have happened completely separately, with Picard being given Captain rank and a choice of commands around 2350, and the sentimental old fool choosing his first love. There are no dialogue hints at Picard having commanded the ship for a particularly long time, though. If he really were stuck with her for 22 years, this probably would warrant mention!

Timo Saloniemi
 
In "Tapestry", Q mentions Picard took command of the bridge when the Stargazer's captain was killed.

In "Conspiracy", he mentions that Captain Tryla Scott managed to make captain faster than anyone in history, including himself, which indicates he got command very quickly.

In "The Battle", we learn how long ago the ship was lost, and we learn what year TNG season 1 in that season finale, 2364. He lost it 9 years prior, so that was 2355.

We gather a lot from multiple episodes and movies. Maybe 22 years is off, but not by much. He still commanded her for a long time.
 
The way it was treated in dialogue rather allows us to think it was deliberate - he wanted a child while she wasn't so sure yet. And again by the tone of things, it didn't quite amount to being abusive either way.

That's not how I took it at all. She seemed a little hurt that he apologized for missing the injection.
 
Of all the sciences they stretch on that show... Medicine gets perhaps the most egregious glossing over. Case in point, WTF is even going on in Genesis? How do they think that's even a thing?
People didn't know what "junk DNA" was good for back then, we still don't fully understand its purpose. It was plausible from a sci-fi standpoint that they might contain silenced ancestral regions.
 
Activating dormant DNA still doesn't make you start undergoing huge, instantaneous physical transformations, though. And most of the animals people were depicted turning into were not even plausibly direct ancestors of humans.
 
If it happens in all or most cells, why not. You'd probably just become a walking tumor instead of a spider man, but the amphibian, protoklingon, monkey, and Australopithecus forms were more plausible than the spider or the iguana XD
 
In "Tapestry", Q mentions Picard took command of the bridge when the Stargazer's captain was killed.

Yup. No timepoint or rank is mentioned, and there is zero suggestion that this led to Picard becoming the CO of the ship.

Sure, it no doubt earned him some brownie points that counted toward the eventual goal. But directly leading to a command? Not even in Q's tirade: he treats the "nobody ever offered that Picard a command" as a separate item altogether.

In "Conspiracy", he mentions that Captain Tryla Scott managed to make captain faster than anyone in history, including himself, which indicates he got command very quickly.

Nope. He says "present company included"; humble Picard wouldn't self-promote that way. It's probably Walker Keel who got that rank/position at an early age, or after very short studies or whatever.

Picard is known among his colleagues for his Academy antics (perseverance, recklessness, Marathon win) and his passion for archaeology but not for much else, not until he becomes the senior skipper and hobby diplomat we know. Nobody ever brings up him having had a skyrocketing career.

In "The Battle", we learn how long ago the ship was lost, and we learn what year TNG season 1 in that season finale, 2364. He lost it 9 years prior, so that was 2355.

And, apart from a run-in with the Cardassians around 2354, that's the only adventure with Picard as the Stargazer CO that we know of. Quite possibly he got the command in 2353, then.

We gather a lot from multiple episodes and movies. Maybe 22 years is off, but not by much. He still commanded her for a long time.

But that's the very part that is not true. Nobody ever suggests Picard would have commanded the ship for a long time. If he did, I gather somebody would.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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