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Maybe Republicans Are Starting To Make A Comeback

TedShatner10 said:
At the turn of the centry wasn't Great Britain and it's empire more or less as wealthy as the United States, with much of China's wealth being localized into several enclaves that were almost entirely owned by the Western powers?

I think it is delusional that the Republicans are going to be back in power with just the next eight years after the damage they've done to America; they've only been popular with voters with their appeal to religious tradition and anti-terrorist laws, but not with their corrosive economic policies that they have been obscured through seemingly generous tax breaks and that's what killed them (and the economy of course).
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One domestic terrorist attack and just see how quickly people turn back to the Republicans.

Or the economic downturn persisting into 2010.
 
TedShatner10 said:
At the turn of the centry wasn't Great Britain and it's empire more or less as wealthy as the United States, with much of China's wealth being localized into several enclaves that were almost entirely owned by the Western powers?

I think it is delusional that the Republicans are going to be back in power with just the next eight years after the damage they've done to America; they've only been popular with voters with their appeal to religious tradition and anti-terrorist laws, but not with their corrosive economic policies that they have been obscured through seemingly generous tax breaks and that's what killed them (and the economy of course).
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The British even at the height of their empire never got anywhere above being third in size economically.
 
Dayton3 said:
TedShatner10 said:
At the turn of the centry wasn't Great Britain and it's empire more or less as wealthy as the United States, with much of China's wealth being localized into several enclaves that were almost entirely owned by the Western powers?

I think it is delusional that the Republicans are going to be back in power with just the next eight years after the damage they've done to America; they've only been popular with voters with their appeal to religious tradition and anti-terrorist laws, but not with their corrosive economic policies that they have been obscured through seemingly generous tax breaks and that's what killed them (and the economy of course).
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The British even at the height of their empire never got anywhere above being third in size economically.
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Yes they did. The were #1 by far.

In 1870 the British Empire accounted for almost a quarter of the world's GDP with 24.1%. China was second with 17.2. British India alone was 3rd with 12.2, follow by the UK (alone) at 9.1 and the US was behind that with 8.9.

43 years later, in 1913 the British Empire was still #1 with 21.1% of the world's GDP. The US was #2 at 19.1%. It was a combined effect of war production, victory, and the bombing and bankrupting of all our competitors to make the US #1 after WWII.

I don't know why you (a history teacher) think that the US has been this economic power house since the Declaration.

This is fun though. Keep it up.
 
^^ Agreed. The US didn't become much of an economic player until the Industrial Revolution with the proliferation of steel mills, steam power, and the textile industry down South.
 
Even then not so much because we were isolationalist. It took WWII and the subsequent rebuilding boom for us to come out of our shell.
 
Santyfm said:
Even then not so much because we were isolationalist. It took WWII and the subsequent rebuilding boom for us to come out of our shell.
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Isolationism really didn't start until WWI. Also, we overtook England as the world's #1 textile manufacturer because we could do it cheaper. A fact everyone conveniently doesn't know when whining about American jobs going to other countries.
 
We were pretty isolationist even before WWI, that's part of why our involvement in that war is so significant, not to mention the Spanish-American war before that.
 
Santyfm said:
Dayton3 said:
TedShatner10 said:
At the turn of the centry wasn't Great Britain and it's empire more or less as wealthy as the United States, with much of China's wealth being localized into several enclaves that were almost entirely owned by the Western powers?

I think it is delusional that the Republicans are going to be back in power with just the next eight years after the damage they've done to America; they've only been popular with voters with their appeal to religious tradition and anti-terrorist laws, but not with their corrosive economic policies that they have been obscured through seemingly generous tax breaks and that's what killed them (and the economy of course).
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The British even at the height of their empire never got anywhere above being third in size economically.
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Yes they did. The were #1 by far.

In 1870 the British Empire accounted for almost a quarter of the world's GDP with 24.1%. China was second with 17.2. British India alone was 3rd with 12.2, follow by the UK (alone) at 9.1 and the US was behind that with 8.9.

43 years later, in 1913 the British Empire was still #1 with 21.1% of the world's GDP. The US was #2 at 19.1%. It was a combined effect of war production, victory, and the bombing and bankrupting of all our competitors to make the US #1 after WWII.

I don't know why you (a history teacher) think that the US has been this economic power house since the Declaration.

This is fun though. Keep it up.
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You can't count "British Empire" GDP combined.

GDP is "Gross DOMESTIC Product".

Great Britain can only count the goods and services INSIDE Great Britain as part of GDP.
 
You specifically said the economy of the British at the height of their Empire. You did not say the GDP of the UK. Quibbling over the terminology Squiggy uses doesn't make you any less wrong :vulcan:
 
PingBah said:
You specifically said the economy of the British at the height of their Empire. You did not say the GDP of the UK. Quibbling over the terminology Squiggy uses doesn't make you any less wrong :vulcan:
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Squiggy however DID SAY "GDP"

I'm simply using the terminology she used introduced into the argument
 
Dayton3 said:
PingBah said:
You specifically said the economy of the British at the height of their Empire. You did not say the GDP of the UK. Quibbling over the terminology Squiggy uses doesn't make you any less wrong :vulcan:
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Squiggy however DID SAY "GDP"

I'm simply using the terminology she used introduced into the argument
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1. He. And you know it.
2. GDP is a good indicator of "economy". You can't have the world's largest economy if your GDP is ranked 8th. So, going back to your original statement of "largest economy"...it's STILL debunked. The US hasn't been #1 and China hasn't been #2 for 120 years.
 
^ On the other hand, the United States has been #1 for 110 years.

(Also, GDP figures from 1870-1900 have been disputed in the Journal of Economic History; the argument ultimately suggests that the United States led from 1870.)

China, btw, only rose to 3rd among world economies this year.

GDP in Millions of US Dollars (2007):

The World Bank:

  1. United States - 13,811,200
  2. Japan - 4,376,705
  3. Germany - 3,297,233
  4. China - 3,280,053

The IMF:

  1. United States - 13,806,550
  2. Japan - 4,381,576
  3. Germany - 3,320,913
  4. China - 3,280,224

The CIA:

  1. United States - 13,840,000
  2. Japan - 4,384,000
  3. Germany - 3,322,000
  4. China - 3,251,000



2008 IMF Estimates:

  1. United States - 14,334,034
  2. Japan - 4,844362
  3. China - 4,222,423
  4. Germany - 3,789,968
 
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Dayton3 said:
PingBah said:
You specifically said the economy of the British at the height of their Empire. You did not say the GDP of the UK. Quibbling over the terminology Squiggy uses doesn't make you any less wrong :vulcan:
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Squiggy however DID SAY "GDP"

I'm simply using the terminology she used introduced into the argument
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Yeah, he used the wrong term. Big deal. If you had a relevant point to make, you'd be making it.
 
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