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Matt Decker...Hero or fool?

So we have all seen THE DOOMSDAY MACHINE a million times. We know the story by heart. In your final conclusion, should Matt Decker be considered a hero, as Spock and Kirk seem to at the end, or will history see him as a fool who recklessly lost his crew and was tactically misguided?
 
Kegek beat me to it, but I agree. I don't think it needs to be an either/or situation. And if historians of the future are like historians of today there would likely be much debate and differing views about the good Commodore, just as there are with historical figures today. There will be those who wish to only see the "hero" and won't tolerate any criticism, others will focus solely on his mistakes, while others will try and balance the two.
 
Definitely both. He acted very bravely, but he was so traumatized by the events that he acted too recklessly, though heroically.
 
I think he was a hero. He didn't know, at the time, what would happen to his crew. His actions on the Enterprise were that of a man trying to redeem his mistake. And his eventual death did give Kirk an idea on how to stop that thing.
 
Matt Decker was a complete idiot who personally got his entire crew killed. What the hell was he thinking, anyway, beaming them all down to that planet where they were promptly eaten by the planetkiller? Bastard would have been up for war crimes if he'd survived. :mad:

I don't fucking care how badly the Constellation was damaged. Beaming the crew down to a planet where a known PLANET DESTROYING ENTITY was on the prowl, was no safer than leaving them on the ship. At least there, they'd have died with honor.
 
Presumably, he didn't know that the Planet Killer was a planet killer when he evacuated the ship, he had assumed that the ship would be destroyed yet his crew would remain safe.
 
Kegek said:
Presumably, he didn't know that the Planet Killer was a planet killer when he evacuated the ship, he had assumed that the ship would be destroyed yet his crew would remain safe.

Yeah, that's how I've always thought this played out. He evacuated everyone to basically 'Go Down with the Ship' and take the Machine out, only to discover it wasn't interested in the SHIP but the Planet where his crew was now trapped.
 
Kegek said:
Presumably, he didn't know that the Planet Killer was a planet killer when he evacuated the ship

Then he's an even bigger fool than I thought.

AFAIK, when the Constellation arrived in that system, the PK was already there, and several of the planets had already been destroyed. If Decker was too lazy or stupid (or both) to put two and two together, that's his problem.
 
Babaganoosh said:
Kegek said:
Presumably, he didn't know that the Planet Killer was a planet killer when he evacuated the ship

Then he's an even bigger fool than I thought.

Well, no. Beaming down people to a planet knowing the Planet Killer will eat them (your earlier scenario) is less foolish than doing it and not knowing due to incompetence. The latter might be foolish, but the former is downright villainous.
 
^ I meant that Decker *should* have known the Planet Killer was...well, a planet killer. It should have been obvious to him. He was a fool if he didn't realize that.

I don't think even he was evil enough to *knowingly* beam his crew to their deaths, he was just an incompetent slob who got them killed anyway.
 
Well certainly he's a Zero for losing his command and nearly losing Kirk's as well..Yet a Hero for trying to do the right thing to save those Federation planets..


A Mixed bag for sure.
 
His ship was dead in space, defensless, and on the verge of another attack. That thing was actively attacking the ship, not a planet (presumedly from what we were told), and the ship seemed doomed to be totally destroyed.

It sounds like they were "damned if they did and damned if they didn't", but at that moment, I can see that beaming down seemed like the best probability for survival (maybe 55/45 odds).

On a side note, I think that William Windom's performance was among the best in all of TOS, and in the top 10 of all Star Trek TV.
 
The events of Doomsday Machine are pretty well known...

The Constellation followed a path of destroyed solar systems until they came across the fourth planet in system L-374 breaking up. The Constellation was unable to reach Starfleet or (as far as they knew) any other starship.

When they approach the planet to investigate, the Planet Killer attacked them (it is designed to automatically attack in power source that falls within a certain range). With most main systems down and the Planet Killer continuing to attack, Decker orders his crew to abandon the ship. While about to beam himself down to join his crew, the final attack by the Planet Killer knocks out the remaining systems of the Constellation stranding him there.

Decker assumed that with the Constellation helpless, he was about to die. But the programming of the Planet Killer made it disregard the Constellation once it no longer posed a threat. So instead it moved in on the third planet to refuel.

Decker, alone on the helpless Constellation, watches and listens as the third planet is destroyed and his crew killed.

When the Enterprise arrived on the scene, they (like the Constellation before them) didn't see the Planet Killer at first. And even after listening to the log entries of the Constellation, the Enterprise stayed on site after the Planet Killer approach them, and then attacked them just like had happened to the Constellation.

It was only after studying the Planet Killer's reactions both to the powerless Constellation and the Enterprise once outside of a safe distance that Spock determined that the Planet Killer must be programmed to attack any energy source within a certain range of it. Additionally, after looking at all the data, Spock determine that the Planet Killer would head to the Rigel system next.

There would be no way to warn the Rigel system (which has billions of inhabitance) about the attack before it happens, nor would there be any way to alert Starfleet to send ships before the attack. Decker decides that the Enterprise must stop the Planet Killer there before it reaches Rigel.

Now, if Decker is guilty of anything, it has to be the mistake of attempting to attack the Planet Killer in the same way with the Enterprise as he had with the Constellation. It wasn't until relieved of command that he was willing to try something new and different.


Frankly, blaming Decker for his actions and the deaths of his crew is like blaming the passengers who rushed the cockpit of Flight 93 for the death of the other passengers. It was Decker's actions and refusal to give up that saved billions in the Rigel system, even at the cost of his crew, his own life and finally the Constellation herself.
 
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^^ Hi Shaw --

I like your avatar. Did you change it to the Constellation uniform emblem specifically for this conversation, or is that your "everyday" avatar?
 
^^^You forgot to mention that Decker said they saw it chopping up a planet:

DEKCER: Captain 's Log -- Stardate 4202.1. Exceptionally heavy subspace interference still prevents our contacting Starfleet to inform them of the destroyed solar systems we have encountered. We are now entering system L-374.
Science Officer Masada reports the fourth planet is breaking up. We are going to investigate.

...and then...

KIRK: Matt, your log stated that the fourth planet was breaking up.
DECKER: You went in to investigate. We saw this thing hovering over the planet, slicing out chunks with a force beam.

What with the smashed solar systems, it was pretty obvious what this thing was up to.

He made a stupid mistake and nearly got the Enterprise destroyed trying to repeat it. He was no hero.
 
Oh... that is my everyday avatar.

I just happen to really like the Constellation, and have done both physical and CG models of it. The main reason I like it so much is the name though... I grew up in Coronado and most of the time I could see the aircraft carrier Constellation in port, so the name is associated with home for me.

I also really like the meaning behind the name itself... Constellation refers to the collection of stars on the US flag.
 
Shaw said:
I also really like the meaning behind the name itself... Constellation refers to the collection of stars on the US flag.

While the original 1797 U.S. frigate's name was for the ring of 13 stars that formed a "new Constellation" on the flag of the new United States, it's debatable if the starship's name refers to this or maybe a "new Constellation" of the UFP.


What? Do you mean the TOS ship?
 
Well, I was referring to the carrier which was nearly a constant feature of San Diego while I lived there... but you are right, it would be doubtful that the Constellation in Starfleet would have anything to do with the States of one nation on one planet. Besides, the collection of star systems within the United Federation of Planets would make up an actual Constellation, so the name would be quite fitting for a Federation flagship (which one would assume the Constellation was considering that she was commanded by an officer of flag rank).
 
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