For my own person opinion I think there's something with Gwen Stacy and Norman Osborn that solidly holds the position of worst Spider-Man story (or plotline) IMO
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That's the second worst.For my own person opinion I think there's something with Gwen Stacy and Norman Osborn that solidly holds the position of worst Spider-Man story (or plotline) IMO
Did the US Military put babies on the front line?
Jeff Bridges was Born in 1949, although Stane could be older than Bridges.
If he is Bridges' age he might be an intelligent young soldier who Stark is impressed by. Takes him on as a protégée. Becomes part of Stark's inner circle. Might even feel threatened when Tony comes along.Did the US Military put babies on the front line?
Jeff Bridges was Born in 1949, although Stane could be older than Bridges.
No one other than Sacha Baron Cohen could have delivered this so well "Or as you so eloquently put it, you wanted to be stupid, disgusting, greasy rich. Like a modern-day Shakespeare. He was also a twat"
Enjoyed the series overall and thought it was a good was to bring Mephisto in without needing to have too much lore around it
Enjoyed the series overall and thought it was a good was to bring Mephisto in without needing to have too much lore around it
I think some people are really struggling to grasp both the age difference between Howard and Obadiah, and the kind of relationship they had. Howard was born during WWI. Obadiah was a boomer. Howard would have been in his 30's when Obadiah was born, and probably at least in his 50's when they met, most likely more like his 60's. They weren't buddies, or even equals. Obadiah was there to manage the business side of things (ie the parts that Howard wasn't so interested in spending his time on, especially as he was getting on and finally starting a family.) He was neither a scientist nor an inventor like Howard.
As for him being involved in Howard's death: I can see him being an unknowing stooge of Hydra at some point or another, but nothing more involved than that. All we know is that he hired the Ten Rings to kidnap Tony (still not sure if that was the real Ten Rings, or Killian's fake Ten Rings.) That relationship presumably started with his selling Stark weapons under the table, and ended when he killed Raza and his men. If he was really connected to Hydra directly, you'd think he wouldn't need to hire the Ten Rings to do his dirty work, and certainly wouldn't have done so directly, but through an intermediary.
The only evidence that he had anything to do with the Winter Soldier's hit on Tony's parents was the fact that as a result, he ended up CEO of Stark Industries. That's circumstantial at best. Plus, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense when one stops to think about it. The whole point of that hit was to get the super-soldier serum he for some reason had in the trunk of his car that night. That doesn't sound like a Stark Industries thing so much as a SHIELD thing. Since we already know Hydra was burrowed deep inside SHIELD by that point, that seems much more likely to have been how they found out about it, not Stane.
On top of that; if for the sake of argument it was an SI project and Stane knew about it; why give that to Hydra? If his motivation is greed and self-enrichment, surely it would have been *far* more profitable to keep that item in-house. Indeed the second & third act of IM1 is all about this; Obadiah is a business man, not an inventor. Like Tony would later become, Howard was the company's golden goose. The only reason he'd off him, is if Howard had found out about his shady dealings and was about to fire him. There is zero evidence of that.
As for him being involved in Howard's death: I can see him being an unknowing stooge of Hydra at some point or another, but nothing more involved than that. All we know is that he hired the Ten Rings to kidnap Tony (still not sure if that was the real Ten Rings, or Killian's fake Ten Rings.) That relationship presumably started with his selling Stark weapons under the table, and ended when he killed Raza and his men. If he was really connected to Hydra directly, you'd think he wouldn't need to hire the Ten Rings to do his dirty work, and certainly wouldn't have done so directly, but through an intermediary.
The only evidence that he had anything to do with the Winter Soldier's hit on Tony's parents was the fact that as a result, he ended up CEO of Stark Industries. That's circumstantial at best. Plus, it doesn't make a whole lot of sense when one stops to think about it. The whole point of that hit was to get the super-soldier serum he for some reason had in the trunk of his car that night. That doesn't sound like a Stark Industries thing so much as a SHIELD thing. Since we already know Hydra was burrowed deep inside SHIELD by that point, that seems much more likely to have been how they found out about it, not Stane.
On top of that; if for the sake of argument it was an SI project and Stane knew about it; why give that to Hydra? If his motivation is greed and self-enrichment, surely it would have been *far* more profitable to keep that item in-house. Indeed the second & third act of IM1 is all about this; Obadiah is a business man, not an inventor. Like Tony would later become, Howard was the company's golden goose. The only reason he'd off him, is if Howard had found out about his shady dealings and was about to fire him. There is zero evidence of that.
I don't recall Stane even being mentioned once in IM2, let alone having him linked to the Vanko storyline. Plus again, we're talking about something that happened in the late 60's when Obadiah would have been a teenager.
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The only place where they expanded on the Vanko story was on Agent Carter.
As far as live action goes, that's true, however the tie-in comic Iron Man 2: Public Identity apparently linked him to the Vanko story.
I'm going to have to rewatch this - considering I grew up on Ali G and that I am not sure I've ever seen him with real looking facial hair so maybe it didn't click
I really wouldn't pay that any credence. I can pretty much guarantee that the film-makers certainly don't.
I finally watched the season/series finale last night. I enjoyed it except for ending it like it did. I liked the holographic trickery.
Not my favorite Marvel series but it brought up some interesting food for thought (life, death, A.I., finding one's place).
Honestly, with Mephisto and all the connections to Doctor Strange, I would think the third Doctor Strange film would be the continuation. Could they work in an Ironheart continuation with the follow-up to the ending of Multiverse of Madness? And of course, Riri could definitely join the Young Avengers/Champions/whatever named team.
Not my favorite Marvel series but it brought up some interesting food for thought (life, death, A.I., finding one's place).
Honestly, with Mephisto and all the connections to Doctor Strange, I would think the third Doctor Strange film would be the continuation. Could they work in an Ironheart continuation with the follow-up to the ending of Multiverse of Madness? And of course, Riri could definitely join the Young Avengers/Champions/whatever named team.
I wish they'd actually got to the part where Riri becomes a hero. Seems like an achievable goal for a six episode season. In the end, she does clean up her own mess a bit (before making the deal with Borat anyway) with two very underwhelming fights with Zeke/Joe and Parker...but no actual heroics. I'm not saying it isn't interesting having a flawed character who makes mistakes and learns from them, but surely even back in 2022 when this show was actualy made they would have known that a second season wasn't guaranteed. A very strange decision to end like that knowing we might not see the character again. I'm not even convinced Champions will be made at this point.
On the positive side, I really liked the show's version of Zelma Stanton and the actress did a great job. The first scene in the candy shop was so much fun. I'd even say it's slightly more likely we'll see her again than Riri given that Agatha All Along was the most popular of the recent shows and Marvel will surely want to lean into the magical side of things. Could be like 4 years away though.
On the positive side, I really liked the show's version of Zelma Stanton and the actress did a great job. The first scene in the candy shop was so much fun. I'd even say it's slightly more likely we'll see her again than Riri given that Agatha All Along was the most popular of the recent shows and Marvel will surely want to lean into the magical side of things. Could be like 4 years away though.
That's never been a confirmed production and was only ever fan speculation based on the various young heroes who've popped up in recent years.
Like I said in my review, I adored Zelma and I likewise speculated we might get to see her again alongside Jen, Billy, and Agatha depending on wherever their next story is told.
My wife and I binged all six eps. I guess Riri will be in the next MCU offering where she fits into the story.
Riri Williams is a short cut taking, lying, thieving criminal who sold her soul to the devil for a homemade Siri, that was probably secretly gifted to her by the same Demon who is going to put her on a rack for a billion years and tickle her feet.
Tell me more about the witch with the goofy eyewear..
Zelma's mom was on Sabrina the Teenage witch back in the 90s.
Snap!
Hmm...
Stane was Bitching about how hard it was to make an arc reactor, in Iron Man 1, and now Wiri is some how powering up her armour with Wind power?
Riri's magic armour is not going to be happy with just one fake soul.
It's going eat your mommy next.
Unless Riri has to keep building different AI from her brain patterns, to feed her suit, which eats the original memories in her brain too, meaning that the stronger her armour gets the more brainless Riri becomes.
Tell me more about the witch with the goofy eyewear..
Zelma's mom was on Sabrina the Teenage witch back in the 90s.
Snap!
Hmm...
Stane was Bitching about how hard it was to make an arc reactor, in Iron Man 1, and now Wiri is some how powering up her armour with Wind power?
Riri's magic armour is not going to be happy with just one fake soul.
It's going eat your mommy next.
Unless Riri has to keep building different AI from her brain patterns, to feed her suit, which eats the original memories in her brain too, meaning that the stronger her armour gets the more brainless Riri becomes.
I don't really see what that has to do with anything, first of all the series was still pretty far out, so the simply might have wanted to wait until the show came out to announce her being in Doomsday, and even if she's not that's not an absolute guarentee we won't see her again. As far as I know they haven't said that every active character will be in it, so there's still a chance she might show up somewhere else.
I finished up the series over the last week or two and I really enjoyed it. It's not one of my favorite Marvel shows, but it was good. Riri's storyline was a nice look at how grief can effect us, and the kind of choices it can lead us to make. Parker was a pretty decent villain, mainly because of Anthony Ramos performance. The big reveal that he was going after his dad's companies was added a nice bit of depth to his character.
I was a little disappointed the other members of Parker's crew just disappeared once he turned on them. After spending so much of the first half of the season with them, it would have been nice to find out what happened to them.
Zeke teaming up with Parker was a nice twist, and was a nice way to give us a more physical tech based bad guy for Riri to fight, but his storyline did feel a little anticlimatic.
After all of the tech and magic stuff being more or less separate, it was nice to finally get a story that brought them together the way this did. We kind of got a little of that in No Way Home, but at this level.
After fans kept expecting him to show up first in WandaVision then in Agatha All Along, it was nice o finally get Mephisto, and Sacha Baron Cohen was great in the role. He was a highlight of the series, and I really hope this isn't the last we've seen of him.
My biggest issue with this is one that's been building for a little while for me now, the lack of closure at end was annoying, since it sounds like this isn't doing well enough to get us a second season. First we got to big cliffhanger for The Eternals, then Moon Knight, and Agatha All Along gave us fairly open ending and it's getting annoying. I can see wanting to leave teases for a potential follow up, but it would be nice if they really gave us a good solid ending, with a little tease for a potential second season or movie, but the whole end of this felt like it was nothing but a set up for a second season that might not happen.
^ Don't forget the Hercules tag at the end of Love and Thunder.
I think there's a difference between an open-ended conclusion and a cliffhanger, which is what this show ended on. I also think there's a big difference narratively with a post-credit scene that teases something and having the last real scene of a finale not wrap things up properly. I don't think it's too much to ask - considering we know there were some reshoots - that the ending be tweaked a bit to allow for more of a sense of narrative closure. Particularly because Phases 4/5 jerked us around enough already with stories we'll never see a proper conclusion to.
Riri taking up Mephisto on his offer is the much more narratively interesting turn, but it demands being dealt with. I think we will see Riri again, but it's pretty much impossible to believe that wherever we see her again, the payoff will in any way equal the setup. It's not going to be her story, after all, and at best she'll be a bit part in an ensemble, maybe getting a B-plot to cover this if we're lucky.
Oh that must be the one I couldn't remember. I knew there was another one, but I couldn't figure out what it was. Although I'm hopeful we might get some kind of a follow up since we'll be seeing Thor again, and Hercules seems to be a fairly popular character, so I could see them still wanting to use him more.