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Marvel's "Fear Itself"

I see you conveniently did not see my latter post where I said the events resulting from the Aftermath of "Siege" had wide spread effect across the Marvel Universe. Siege was specifically designed to be compartmentalized. It was actually going to be shorter than it was but Bendis expanded the story. Bendis also said that Siege would not be a crossover event...yes it had effects that would effect the entire world and yes it concluded Dark Reign but it was not meant to be a crossover like "Secret Invasion" was. Oh and go look at the Bibliography for the event

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_%28comics%29

Most of those are all Avengers related titles.
 
since Bendis isn't at the helm of this one it might actually be pretty decent.
 
No.

Matt Fraction is worse than Bendis.

He has pretty much turned the X-Men into 24-lite at this point.
the only recent X stuff i've read is the Messiah Complex stuff, which i liked. can't remember if Fraction wrote any of those issues or not. Second Coming looked good, keep forgetting to pick up the trade.
 
Fraction has written the best X-Men in years...started reading them again after Whedon left.

No Fraction has done more damage to the X-Men than Bendis ever did with House of M.

He has destroyed any moral principles that the X-Men once operated from. The only difference between Utopia and Magneto at this point is that they haven't yet tried their hand at genocide. I don't even think you can use term anti-hero to describe them anymore, they are villains now tried and true.

It's never a good sign when Norman Osborn is a voice of reason in a comicbook.
 
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How was Batman a deadbeat dad? He didn't know about Damian, then tried to raise Damian, then died at the hands of a god. It's not like Talia was taking him to court to get a support order.

I agree that getting rid of Wally West was problematic for a lot of reasons. Honestly, I think Geoff Johns had plans for Barry Allen's return, but had no idea what to do with Wally, but didn't want to kill him. So now no one knows what to do with him.

And they really didn't know what to do with Bart. Which is a shame, because Bart, at one point, was really, really, really great. You know what would have been excellent, in a different world? A Flash with pictorial thought balloons and a JLA where Kyle Rayner was picking on Wally's replacement.

I actually kind of liked Infinite Crisis (it had aspirations far beyond its means, but unfortunately I'm pretty sure no one involved in its production actually realized it), but as a retcon-machine it was pretty unneccesary. Superman was a baby on his rocket ship again, huh? Batman caught his parent's killer? Something ineffable occurred to Wonder Woman's history? My heart exploded again just remembering the excitement. So yeah.

Piling Final Crisis on at that point was, also, a really bad mistake. (If for no other reason than Final Crisis itself wasn't a very good story, was told much better when it was called Rock of Ages*, and--I feel--will be remembered as Morrison's worst major work; but more importantly, it tied down the entire DC line with another universal cataclysm so rapidly after the last.)

Then Blackest Night came, and it was probably less disruptive, but artistically at least as much of an albatross.**

Event garbage is part of why the only books I actually read on a regular basis are Booster Gold and Secret Six.

But the larger part? Most of DC and Marvel's lines just suck, in a way that seems beyond editorial interference to explain, and $2.99 or more for shitty disposable entertainment is a ridiculous trade.

I don't know. It's like there's this talent shortfall, or at least a perception on my part of one. When I say I can name only six-to-seven writers at DC whose work is definitely worthwhile***--even when I personally have grave reservations about their current output--am I drastically underestimating how many good writers are there?

*Much as I suspect The Return of Bruce Wayne was better when it was called The Invisibles, but I have to reserve judgment on that. I'll probably eventually get to this, since it's been raved about by so many, but I'm incredibly hesitant, given how many times I've tried to enjoy Morrison's Batman and failed.
**As a fun thought experiment, imagine Grant Morrison writing Infinite Crisis and Blackest Night, and Geoff Johns writing Final Crisis. Honestly, I think that would solve 90% of my problems with them.
***Morrison (with reservations), Johns (with severe reservations), Giffen and deMatteis (buy Booster Gold!), Simone, and Cornell, and possibly including Bedard, but I haven't really been following R.E.B.E.L.S. I know some folks here would include Levitz.

Deadbeat Dad may have been going too far, in fact it was. I retract that statement. But since Infinite Crisis Batman has been doing more hero stuff across all titles, leaving very little room for the gritty stuff that was around Pre-Infinite Crisis.

And actually to tell you the truth, I liked Infinite Crisis as a story as well. I thought it needed more issues, but for the most part, I did enjoy it. I just didn't like what came after it. Maybe it was just with the titles I was reading, but it seemed like all of the life was sucked out of them. I guess a lot of them felt like a massive monolith with little to no variation between titles in terms of tone. It just felt like all the books were being written by a leviathan of Grant Morrison, Geoff Johns, Mark Waid and Greg Rucka.

The reason I read the books I did at the time (JSA, Flash, Green Arrow, Green Lantern, Detective Comics, Birds of Prey and a few others) is because they had different things to offer, but once IC rolled around and I found they were gearing up for Final Crisis and GL was gearing up for its own crossover which would encapsulate further books (Batman became a Lantern?) I decided to give it all up. When I started reading, it was before the events took hold of the story telling and I knew that comics had outgrown me when they did... sad, because I still really like the characters and stories.

Edit: And I think it's really sad the decent that Geoff Johns has taken. When he was a young writer, his stuff was probably the shining light of the company. JSA (from the start to when Infinite Crisis started being hinted at) is probably my favorite string of comic books ever, The Flash never got bad while he was writing, the first arc of Teen Titans is probably my favorite arc of an ongoing series ever and Green Lantern: Rebirth is hands down my favorite mini series. But once he started getting editorial power, his writing went down hill and when I left comics, all the heart and soul was gone from his writing. It was sad.
 
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One could argue that the X-Men's morale philosophical views changed the moment Emma Frost joined the team after Genosha's destruction. It does seem like there is a conscience movement on the part of Marvel's writers to continue to alienate the mutant community from the rest of the MU. I'll grant that. I believe that Tony's future timeline indicated some kind of big X-Men event in the near future. Also just because you disagree with a writers direction doesn't mean the writing is bad. Then again I could be wrong. I seem to wrong to you a lot tonight House of UIster.


Batman was never a Lantern. He has wielded Hal's ring for a brief time before though and was sought out by a Sinestro Corps ring...and recently had the White Lantern ring. These mainly for toy purposes though :)
 
No.

Matt Fraction is worse than Bendis.

He has pretty much turned the X-Men into 24-lite at this point.
the only recent X stuff i've read is the Messiah Complex stuff, which i liked. can't remember if Fraction wrote any of those issues or not. Second Coming looked good, keep forgetting to pick up the trade.

That was written by Fraction and Brubaker.

Unfortunately it goes down hill from. Now they are pretty much in charge of their own mutant banana republic with its own Guantanamo Bay and roaming death squads.
 
Batman was never a Lantern. He as wielded Hal's ring for a brief time before though and was sought out by a Sinestro Corps ring...and recently had the White Lantern ring. These mainly for toy purposes though :)

Again, I haven't been reading comics, so I don't know. I see promos of Batman with rings and I get upset. Add that on to the tone of the books when I left of Batman dealing with more and more larger than life stuff and becoming less an anti-hero and more of a hero hero, I feel like I was right to drop at least that part of my reading list.

And I'm sure it's for toy purposes. Like I keep saying about heart and soul, all of these feel like they are done for marketing purposes rather than story telling purposes. Kind of like a get-rich-quick scheme in the creative world.
 
But Batman was always a hero not an anti-hero.

Eh, semantics. I know what you mean, but I think you know what I mean too. He was always of the shadows, dealing with people in the streets first and the big threats second (JLA stuff). Now, with all of these crossovers it seems like he's being brought more into the universe as a whole and leaving his world. The whole death and resurrection thing doesn't help.
 
^ Again Bruce was never dead. Why do fans have such a hard time understanding this concept? He was sent through time by Darkseid's Omega beams and made his way back. He was never killed. Sigh. As for Batman, Incorporated. I can understand long time purists not being fond of the concept or story but I'm enjoying every moment of it. The concept is logical. Through his ordeal in the time stream Bruce comes to realize that he can influence more good over the world by using Batman as a symbol to inspire. That is one of the reasons why Morrison wanted to use the oval shape symbol, because he recalled what a marketing ploy it was for Tim Burton's Batman movie and that formed the basis for his idea for Batman, Inc.

This is turning into a DC discussion though.
 
No.

Matt Fraction is worse than Bendis.

He has pretty much turned the X-Men into 24-lite at this point.
I'm feeling "meh" on his Thor run. I breeze through the issues, and I feel when I close the book that Walt Simonson, even Tom DeFalco, would have done one of Fraction's issues in two or three pages. I keep waiting for something to happen, and... it doesn't. :-/
 
to be honest i dropped Thor after JMS left. it wasn't due to Fraction taking over, it was that it became too Siege heavy and i wasn't reading any of the Dark Reign/Siege stuff.
 
^ Again Bruce was never dead. Why do fans have such a hard time understanding this concept? He was sent through time by Darkseid's Omega beams and made his way back. He was never killed. Sigh. As for Batman, Incorporated. I can understand long time purists not being fond of the concept or story but I'm enjoying every moment of it. The concept is logical. Through his ordeal in the time stream Bruce comes to realize that he can influence more good over the world by using Batman as a symbol to inspire. That is one of the reasons why Morrison wanted to use the oval shape symbol, because he recalled what a marketing ploy it was for Tim Burton's Batman movie and that formed the basis for his idea for Batman, Inc.

This is turning into a DC discussion though.

That doesn't make it better. At least, in my eyes. I don't like Batman going all cosmic. That's not the point of Batman

Edit: Sorry I derailed this. I started making comments about events in general, using DC as a lens.
 
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