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Marvel v DC?

It is a numbers game now? :p Anyway going by what I enjoyed...

Marvel: X-Men, X2, Spider-Man & Spider-Man 2 with Toby Maguire, The Punisher with Thomas Jane.

DC: Superman, Superman II, Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Superman Returns, Man Of Steel, Batman V Superman : Dawn Of Justice.

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TV - DC: Superman(George Reeves) Batman(Adam West), Wonder Woman(Lynda Carter) Lois & Clark, Smallville, Arrow, The Flash, Legends of Tomarrow, Supergirl, Gotham.

Marvel: Daredevil
 
I'm not a comic book reader and have no interest in this DC/Mavel divide. So I guess I'm considered one of the "general audience". I critique each movie as if it were a stand-alone blockbuster.

So far most of Marvel's movies have had interesting stories and characters and is action packed. The only ones I found uninteresting were Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3 and Thor 2. In general, they were serviceable blockbuster movies that entertained.

DC-wise, the Dark Knight series is spectacular and interesting. The rest of the movies were generally an unintelligible mess of dizzying special effects. Man of Steel was largely just a chain of special effects sequences linked by weak character moments. BvS was only understandable after I sat down for half an hour thinking about what went wrong.
 
Nice hearing from the general audience. Being a fan of the comics, my opinions are a bit bias.
 
Marvel movies I consider classics:
Iron Man

DC movies I consider classics:
Superman
Superman II
Batman
The Dark Knight
(belongs with the whole trilogy though)

Marvel shows I consider classics:
Spider-Man (Animated Series)
The Incredible Hulk (1978)

DC shows I consider classics:
Batman (1966)
Wonder Woman

These have stood the test of time and/or had an impact on pop culture.

I would probably add X2 and Raimi's Spider-Man 2 to the Marvel "classics" list, but otherwise yeah, that's pretty much where I'm at.

Even as much as I've enjoyed Guardians, MOS, Ant-Man, Winter Soldier and some others, they still don't feel like they're quite at the level of those earlier movies which, as you said, really stood out from the pack and became true pop cultural events.
 
Well, if we're doing comparative lists now, how can I resist?

Marvel movies that I consider good to great: X-men 2, X-men First Class, X-men DoFP, Amazing Spider-man, Iron Man, Cap. America First Avenger, Avengers, Cap. America Winter Soldier, Guardians of the Galaxy, Avengers Age of Ultron

DC movies that I consider good to great: Batman 89, Batman Begins, The Dark Knight, Superman Returns, Man of Steel (I should note before anyone gets too upset, I've never seen the Donner Superman movies, except bits and pieces of the really bad ones at the end of the series)

If we're including imprint titles, I really liked Kick-Ass and V for Vendetta, but I'm not really sure which company owns them.

Marvel TV shows that are good to great: Agents of SHIELD, Daredevil, Jessica Jones, Agent Carter (IOW, every tv show Marvel Studios has ever touched, really - so far, at least)

DC TV shows: The Flash. Every other DC tv show ranges from disappointing to unwatchable. And even the Flash tends to have significant issues every now and then.

I do wonder how many people bringing up tv shows from decades ago have actually watched them since they went off the air. Because I remember liking Lois and Clark when I was 9, too, but youtube clips pretty much prove it was an absolutely terrible show. It's also amazing how hard it is to listen to the old X-men cartoon show that used to be the center of my universe.

Anyway, DC comics vs marvel comics is fairly even, but by any other metric dc is clearly behind, and when discussing movies, dc is so far behind it's almost laughable, especially considering that DC had a multi-decade head start. And it's not really that DC can't make good movies. MS clearly has a better concept of how to work with these properties than WB does, but that's because MS is a clear outlier - WB is generally very comparable with the other studios that make these movies.

The biggest reason DC is behind is because WB simply does not appear to have any real confidence in the material. In the decades between Superman I and the Spider-man/X-Men successes that ushered in a new era of superhero movies, they never even attempted a Wonder Woman movie. They gave up on Superman entirely, despite the fact that his movie series was killed by terrible writing, not problems with the character. They took a successful Batman series and forced it into a happy meal mold that resulted in nippled bat armor and the bat credit card, because superheros are for kids. And apparently kids love credit card jokes.

Even after superhero movies became cool, they still pinned all their hopes on Batman and Superman, making only one other early attempt to give a different character a chance - and that attempt (Catwoman) was so ridiculously sabotaged that they were basically just throwing money away. And when they finally started accepting the fact that they were really going to have to have some more successful characters than just Superman and Batman, it still took them almost a decade to actually attempt Wonder Woman at all, because they still had more confidence in Ryan Reynolds fighting alien clouds with terrible cgi racecars than they did in people's willingness to accept a female hero (despite all evidence to the contrary).
 
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DC -
Superman
Superman II
Superman Returns
The Dark Knight

Marvel -
Iron Man I
Avengers
Guardians of the Galaxy
Ant Man
The Winter Soldier
Daredevil TV
Spiderman 2
Xmen I
Xmen II
Xmen Days of Future Past
Deadpool

Marvel both overall and as the best DC stuff is in past versions whereas Marvel's is mostly current.

Best overall ? Winter Soldier.
 
@Gaith, I'd add Superman 1 and 2, Batman, and Batman Returns to the DC movie list, but yeah, Marvel currently has DC beat IMHO.
Superman: The Movie is a horribly boring, altogether bad movie with a great performance by Reeve. Superman 2 I haven't seen recently enough to remark on, but the Donner Cut was pretty deadly dull also. I saw the first half-hour of Batman '89 once, and found it the most soporific time-waster I'd ever had the misfortune to endure. Batman Returns I've seen parts of, and I enjoyed those parts, so maybe it should indeed go on the DC success list.

But of the DC movies I have seen, The Dark Knight (and not its terrible predecessor or lame-ass sequel) is the only one worth a damn. Mind, it's worth a lot of a damn; it's pretty great. But its peers are just rubbish. :p
 
The Dark Knight (and not its terrible predecessor or lame-ass sequel) is the only one worth a damn. Mind, it's worth a lot of a damn; it's pretty great. But its peers are just rubbish.

Thank you !

Excepting the Adam West one, one good Batman movie so far is a pretty poor hit rate.
 
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My favorite Marvel -
Movies:
Raimi Spider-Man 1 &2
X-Men 1 & 2
X-Men: First Class & Days of Futures Past
Iron Man 1 & 3
Captain America TFA & WS
Guardians of the Galaxy
Avengers
Good but not favorites:
Thor 1 & 2
The Incredible Hulk
X-Men: The Last Stand

(I've only seen Ant-Man and Avengers: Age of Ultron once, and while I liked them I can't remember them well enough to categorize them)

TV:
Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.
Agent Carter
Daredvil
Jessica Jones
Spectacular Spider-Man
Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes
Good but not favorites:
The Incredible Hulk
Wolverine and the X-Men
Spider-Man: The Animated Series
X-Men: The Animated Series

My Favorite DC -
Batman & Batman Returns
Superman 1 & 2
Batman Begins, Dark Knight, and Dark Knight Rises
Batman '66
Arrow
Flash
Supergirl
Legends of Tomorrrow
Gotham
Young Justice
Batman: The Animated Series
Superman: The Animated Series
Justice League/JL: Unlimited
Green Lantern: The Animated series
Good but not great:
The Adventures of Superman
Wonder Woman
Smallville
Beware the Batman
Batman Forever
Batman & Robin (it's a so bad it's good, guilty pleasure for me)
 
I was very dissapointed in BvS. Something was off in the writing and editing. The best parts were Batman and Wonder Woman. So I hope their solo films will be better. Cavill looked the part of Superman and Clark Kent and given a better script would be great.

Some of the recent Marvel films have also dissapointed. Both the Iron Man and Thor films have deteriotated in quailty. AOU was also a step down. The Captain America films are the only ones that have kept up. Hopefully Civil War will continue that trend. Got a kick out of Ant-Man and GotG.

On TV the "Berlanti-(multi?)verse" continues to entertain me. Agents of SHIELD not no much, though it has improved since the introduction of the Inhumans. The Marvel Netflix shows have been pretty solid. Oddly enough they're a better match for DC's film Universe than Marvel's films or AOS. Grim and dark.

Comic wise, I'm reading more of the DC titles than Marvel's right now. But that can change. Looking to see what Rebirth brings. Marvel's last event/reboot was underwhelming.
 
The Marvel V DC thing has always been something generated by fans more than the companies themselves. TPTB at both companies have always enjoyed a friendly rivalry but neither company wants the other to fail. In fact, it is quite the opposite. Success for one company often means success for the other. If people like the Marvel movies, they are more likely to check out the DC ones. If people go to the comic store to buy Daredevil, they may just pick up the latest issue of Batman.

Marvel has been outselling DC for the last few years, but without Marvel's success then DC might be selling more poorly.
 
I'm not sure where this "you have to side with one or the other" mentality came from. I'm sure it predates our entertainment medium. Communism vs Capitalism or the North vs South perhaps the Crown vs Commoners it's bound to have roots in our collective psyche.

I like and enjoy product from both Marvel & DC, comics and film. I'm an all around comic book fan like many others here. I'm in line for Hellboy and even R.I.P.D(yes I'm one of the 200 people who paid to see that in the theater) and can't wait for SONY and VALIANT comics to get that first property, Bloodshot, into production and on the big screen. The facts seem to indicate however that Marvel has a grasp on translating their products to the big screen in a much more enjoyable manner. When you take Iron Man and turn him into THE MAN that's something. He wasn't the face of Marvel till '08, that was all Spidey and the X-Men, now he's top tier. Same for Guardians, Ant-Man and likely to be so for Dr.Strange & Black Panther.

Was BvS an underperformer, a flop or a hit? I feel it's the former because Warners had arguably the 3 most globally well known comic characters(sorry Spidey) together in a film for the first time. The risk isn't even comparable to when Marvel had it all on the line with upper B tier characters like Iron Man and Thor launching a tentative shaky campaign to win over the masses so we could get to the Avengers. The three most enduring and well known characters, especially in the current Golden Age of Comic Cinema, should've easily been a $400m Domestic grosser. Easily. Instead it had a rather dull bit of pacing for 1/2 the film. Choppy narratives and wooden performances(except for Batman where that's acceptable) by many. It's an underperformer but there is room to grow and that is cause for hope.
 
This is no different than a sports fan rivalry, especially when two teams share the same town. You will watch the hated rivals but only when your team isn't on
 
I am getting sick of this BS! I like both. Superman & The Punisher are my favs. People are saying BvS is a flop and Marvel keeps winning! Winning what? How was BvS a flop? How does DC suck and Marvel is so awesome? I like both and BvS did well $250m/$834.5 million so far.

I wish fans would stop being petty and be intellectually honest.

OMG! We can like all of it!

I am being intellectually honest when I say: I prefer Marvel. I have a preference, and I have a right as a consumer to have a preference, and I'm getting tired of above-it-all centrists lecturing me about having to like both. Yes, we can like both, but there is no law on Earth that says I have to like them both equally.

Marvel Comics has generally always had more believable, relatable characters and more grounded stories, and as long as Marvel's movie-makers understand that and bring those traits to the big screen, they are going to continue to whup DC's behind. Good for them.

Are there DC characters that I like? Sure, but over the past decade the movie-makers at WB have systematically screwed up every single one of them, starting with my favorite, Green Lantern. Given that track record I am not going to sit around and mutter "I still love DC as much as Marvel because a rising tide lifts all boats." Screw that. The MCU is giving me what I want. If DC wants my continued support it needs to get off its ass and start giving me stuff I want to see, not two and a half hours of whiny kryptonians and "Martha!"

You like both equally? Fine. That's great. You go ahead. I'm not you. I have a preference and I've seen nothing in recent years that makes me think that preference is going to be altered.

Make Mine Marvel.
 
Looks like competition can make things better.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/capta...tman-v-superman-ensured-the-making-of-a140977
http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/04...war-because-of-batman-v-superman-announcement

Kevin Feige may have green lit the civil war idea because of BvS announcement. Looks like we won't have a BvS without the MCU, or Captain America Civil War without BvS. Sometimes changing the formula can have great results, like Deadpool.
Here's hoping both Marvel and DC continue to do better, challenge each other, learn from each other, and never stop making awesome movies.
 
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^ Eh, Feige may have ended up agreeing with them without BvS's prompting. The safe course for The Winter Soldier would have been Cap versus a generic foreign baddie, a Red Skull 2.0, to give the whole Steve-in-the-modern-world aspect more room to breathe. Instead, they rushed and, to my mind, underserved that character work in favor of an edgier, bigger storyline, and they did so without any particular DC movie nudging them in that direction.

Mind, I like (though I don't love) TWS. I just wish we could've gotten more of Cap adjusting to today.
 
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^ I think I can live without a movie filled with "what is this new fangled "computer" machine of which you speak?" type of scenes.

Being a man out of time is an on-going characteristic of Steve, he's still getting used to things and that will probably never fully stop. You don't miss out on over half a century of history and culture and *ever* really get fully caught up.
 
And anyways, Steve experienced a lot of super-advanced stuff back in WWII against Hydra and whatever advanced stuff the SSR had too.
 
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Kevin Feige may have green lit the civil war idea because of BvS announcement. Looks like we won't have a BvS without the MCU, or Captain America Civil War without BvS...

The comic existed before BvS was written. I'm sure that pivotal moment in comic history (and CA's next best story to Winter Soldier) would have made it to the screen with or without BvS's help.

And are you trying to blame BvS's failures on the MCU?
 
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It's a funny rivalry when you realize that both companies have been so close to bankruptcy at certain points they almost got bought by the other. From a corporate standpoint it's like a foot race for 1-legged men.

I like the DC universe & characters more than the Marvel ones, but I like both. It's like Star Trek/Star Wars.
 
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