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Marvel/Netflix Daredevil Season 1

They could make do with hardwood floors and venetian blinds.

And I forgot to work in an "I Can't Believe It's a Law Firm" reference up there....
 
Well, it's a progression. They got the sign. Would you be saying "they could make do with paper and a sharpie" if they hadn't?
 
It's a law office. It needs to look less barren, I'm sorry. And they shouldn't make up for it by the biggest waste of money ever - law books. Glad they've avoided having anyone bother to look in one of those.
 
Yeah, but I think it's less about the image that they'd realistically need to project to attract clients, and more about making them seem like a part of their immediate community, and contrasting them against the big, soulless, steel-and-glass law firm that they'd left.
 
I guess I have to solemnly and unreservedly apologize to every fax machine in the world. You are not substandard, archaic, bullshit and outmoded.

"I'm sorry fax machines. You are relevant. My bad."
 
I guess I have to solemnly and unreservedly apologize to every fax machine in the world. You are not substandard, archaic, bullshit and outmoded.

"I'm sorry fax machines. You are relevant. My bad."

You're not wrong, it's just that businesses and industry still have a use for it. It's basically a proxy photocopier. That plus there's yet to be a consessus as to what a suitable replacement for exchanging paperwork might be.

Not that it ever had a particularly long stint as a home appliance. I'm sure many homes never had one and those that did stopped using them right around the time the first or second deluge of AOL discs flooded through the letterbox.
 
I really like the character of Wilson Fisk because, at least for myself, its the first time I've seen someone doing a Doctor Horrible-esque story for a TV show.
 
Vanessa was destined to be comatose, but she's also destined to later leave Wilson for dead and take over.

Also their son is the Rose... A super villain. Did we happen to see to see any Rose motifs as a portent?

I think I remember Vanessa slapping the shit out of her son for being a d-lister.

Not living up to his pedigree.
 
I really like the character of Wilson Fisk because, at least for myself, its the first time I've seen someone doing a Doctor Horrible-esque story for a TV show.

Fisk wasn't Doctor Horrible. He thought he was -- someone with good intentions who felt that rebelling against the existing order was necessary for the greater good -- but he was really more like Captain Hammer, a bully who used the facade of good intentions as an excuse for dominating and victimizing others.
 
Vanessa was destined to be comatose, but she's also destined to later leave Wilson for dead and take over.

Also their son is the Rose... A super villain. Did we happen to see to see any Rose motifs as a portent?

I think I remember Vanessa slapping the shit out of her son for being a d-lister.

Not living up to his pedigree.
And Wilson is destined to take over Hydra's Las Vegas operation.
 
I have recollections of Wilson in a sumo get at one point.

They have so many destinies.

It's almost like the TV writers are spoiled for choice.
 
I have recollections of Wilson in a sumo get at one point.

They have so many destinies.

It's almost like the TV writers are spoiled for choice.
Sumo is Wilson's martial art of choice

He stole a tablet from a museum once.

Vanessa goes to the same hair stylist as Contessa Valentina Allegra de Fontaine. They might be sisters.
 
The Contessa's back story in comics was that she was European royalty because Nick Fury was in Europe for World war two.

(Italian)

When I think of the formative years in MCU Nick Fury's life, the word Bosnia leaps right up at me.

Oh?

Having been discovered to have been a Russian sleeper agent throughout her career with S.H.I.E.L.D. as well, following the end of this conflict the Contessa surrendered herself to Interpol and was last seen in prison.
She's another Black Widow?

The comics bio says that she also worked for Leviathan.

Oh my.

If the Black widows are employing an anti-agapic like Fury's Infinity Formula, then Bridget Riley could be seen in Agent's of S.H.I.E.L.D. without old lady make up, although how could she be Nick Fury's girlfriend for 20 years, if one she wasn't ageing and 2, Peggy Carter didn't recognize her?

Has anyone wondered if there was a connection between the failure of Nick Fury's infinity Serum, and the destruction of the Infinity Gauntlet in Hickman's Avengers?

What if the serum was made by and connected to one of the Gems?
 
I finished the series/season last night and got to say I really enjoyed it. I think some others earlier in the thread complaining about aspects of it seemed to be missing the "point" of this series being a very extended origin story. Someone equated it to Smallville which is absurd since Smallville spent half of it's existence flirting with the greater DC universe it supposedly occupied and the other half acknowledging it and out-right referencing it without taking the complete leap and just making Clark Superman even though for all intents and purposes he was carrying out that role and even in the end of it all we didn't fully get to see him take on the role.

Here it was an extended origin story taking place over the course of many weeks/months and ended with Matt taking on his superhero persona and we had a glorious ending sequence with him in his final costume and being called his hero name.

Lots of great fights in the series, hell every episode had a great fight sequence, and a fairly satisfying ending to this origin story setting up our "status quo" for future seasons.

Was sorry to see "Wesley" killed off but, I suspect, there was little way to proceed forward with him still around and for our characters to remain believably safe from him even with Fisk in prison. I suspect when we next see Fisk -likely using legal trickery to get the charges dismissed- he'll fully don the name "Kingpin." This series was as much his origin story as it was DD's.

Foggy really grew on me and wished his relationship with Karen didn't hit the apparently stall it's now in. Also wanted to see more of a relationship between Matt and Claire/Night Nurse. I look forward to seeing more of her as the bridging point between the other Marvel NF series.

It's certainly a trope with this genre of show but it's hard to take things too seriously when we see Matt get the kind of abuse he did when fighting Nobu. He gets ripped UP, but a few dozen stitches from Claire, couple days in bed, and he's good? I'd think he'd have some injuries to internal organs or would have needed a blood transfusion or something from all of the loss!

Sort of the same with the second episode where we learn he has a couple broken ribs. Broken ribs friggin' hurt! And he copes with them okay. I know, I know, mediation, "powers from toxic chemicals", "TV show" but it's hard to get too much worried about the punishment a character is taking when you've seen him get ripped to shreds by a Shoge and pretty much sleep it off in a couple of days.

I'm sure Karen will struggle with her killing of Wesley but, really, it was certainly a justifiable homicide. That shouldn't make it easier to kill someone, sure, but at the same time it should "comfort" her to know it was her or him.

My buddy and I were talking it over and we were kind of thinking that Fisk's killing of his father wasn't all that bad of a thing. I mean, dismembering his body and hiding the evidence? Sure.

But if he and his mom called the police and said, "yeah he was beating up on his wife and son, he attacked him in defense" the police would probably be more-or-less okay with it. Not sure his killing his asshole, abusive, father "justifies" his fall. If anything it makes him that much more sympathetic a character. Yeah, he's a giant killer, asshole but that's different from the killing of his asshole father.

Loved the connection between the wall his father made him stare at, the "Rabbit in a Snowstorm" painting and then the cell-wall. The actress who played the future Mrs. Kingpin did great too, though I don't think her falling for Fisk and her support of him was well established. It seemed like it went "the shadows around you are sort of disturbing me, not sure I want to see you again", to "okay, you seem to want something of good things for this city you may be okay," to "I will always be by your side you murderous lunatic!"

It was interesting to always see the vulnerability in Fisk when with her and in his friendship with Wesley.

A good series I greatly enjoyed and I look forward to its next season as well as to see what the other NF Marvel series present us with.
 
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Here it was an extended origin story taking place over the course of many weeks/months and ended with Matt taking on his superhero persona and we had a glorious ending sequence with him in his final costume and being called his hero name.

Sure, but that doesn't mean there couldn't have been some improvement in the pacing. It wouldn't have violated that origin-story intent if he'd donned his final costume at the start of the final episode, or even its midway point. And it definitely would've worked better if the costume had actually accomplished something. Okay, it kind of seemed as though it gave him a bit of extra protection against Fisk's beating, but we didn't see any of its bullet- and blade-resistant qualities that Potter mentioned.

More importantly, the emergence of Daredevil should've felt like the climax rather than an afterthought. Fisk had already been exposed and arrested, then escaped, and Daredevil just found him in an alley and beat him up. What bothers me is that a lot of people were killed in that escape and Daredevil didn't manage to prevent it. My view is that if a lot of people die and the superhero only belatedly shows up to save one person or stop the bad guy, then he's not a very good hero. What would've been better, I feel, is if DD had shown up in time to intervene in the escape, if he'd been able to use the advantages of his costume to save the lives of at least some of the guards, only for Fisk to slip away while he was at it, leading to the final confrontation. It would've made DD more effective and impressive, showcased the costume better, and made the climax feel bigger and more unified.


I suspect when we next see Fisk -likely using legal trickery to get the charges dismissed- he'll fully don the name "Kingpin." This series was as much his origin story as it was DD's.

I still say that treating "Kingpin" as a nickname in the same vein as "Daredevil" is misunderstanding the nature of the term. It's just a generic label for the head of an organization, particularly a criminal one. "Mob kingpin" or "underworld kingpin" is a pretty commonplace phrase, so it would've been the natural epithet for people like Ben Urich to apply to him even before they knew who he was. So it really didn't work for them to avoid it as self-consciously as they did. It's one of the few hero or villain nicknames in comics that you could use in a totally natural, organic, unaffected way without needing to make excuses for it. It was their avoidance of it that came off as unnatural and forced.


Also wanted to see more of a relationship between Matt and Claudia/Night Nurse. I look forward to seeing more of her as the bridging point between the other Marvel NF series.

Her name's Claire Temple. And it's hard to say who she might end up in a relationship with. She originated as a love interest for Luke Cage, but Luke was Jessica Jones's boyfriend in Alias, and I get the impression that AKA Jessica Jones is adapting that series relatively faithfully.

My buddy and I were talking it over and we were kind of thinking that Fisk's killing of his father wasn't all that bad of a thing. I mean, dismembering his body and hiding the evidence? Sure.

But if he and his mom called the police and said, "yeah he was beating up on his wife and son, he attacked him in defense" the police would probably be more-or-less okay with it. Not sure his killing his asshole, abusive, father "justifies" his fall. If anything it makes him that much more sympathetic a character. Yeah, he's a giant killer, asshole but that's different from the killing of his asshole father.

Well, yes and no. Yes, you could argue that defending his mother made it justified self-defense. But even there, he went beyond that, giving in to the brutal lessons his father taught -- just keep hitting them harder, harder. So even in saving his mother, he was still succumbing to his father's violence by inheriting and embracing it. The problem isn't that he protected his mother -- the problem is that he didn't stop there, either then or later on. He just went on beating people to death for the rest of his life.
 
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