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Spoilers Marvel Cinematic Universe spoiler-heavy speculation thread

What grade would you give the Marvel Cinematic Universe? (Ever-Changing Question)


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Everything bad is totally their fault, everything good is good somehow despite them. It's science. I call it the Kathleen Kennedy Paradox.

Kennedy doesn't have anything to do with the MCU. Feige is the one in charge of the MCU! .Clearly the shows and movies are only good when they listen to us fans on the internet. Which is how it should be. :)
 
They are avoiding the most interesting aspects of doing a story about Wakanda and focusing it around the everyday citizens in modern day Wakanda. You got a great story just waiting to be told about a society that is great on the surface but cracks are starting to happen.

They don't seem to have democracy and and are ruled by a royal family. Nobody can leave I suppose unless your have connections with those in power. Their must be a underground market that brings in stuff from the outside world, such as movies,art,clothing. All the problems that come from a society that embraces isolationism and was hinted at in the first movie and ignored in the second one.
I've got to disagree, I love that the show is going to be expanding on Wakanda's history.
The new X-Men movies set in the MCU will probably be apolitical, like other MCU movies, with every character making jokes and all characters except Professor X and Magneto being 15-16 year olds.
Fuck that shit, now is the time to sack up and make these movies more political than ever.
The X-Men movies do need to be allegorical but lets hope it's done well. I don't trust Disney's ability to something like to much. I would be very happy if the X-Men movies match the tone and allegorical strength of the X-Men 97 cartoon we just saw not that long ago.
Then it's a good thing Marvel Studios is making them movies and not Disney. Yes technically Marvel is owned by Disney, but the movies are being made by the team from Marvel Studios, not Disney.
As for the new X-Men cast being "youthful" I don't really see that as meaning the dialogue is all going to be in the kind of slang you guys are talking about, there are plenty of movies with younger casts where the characters don't talk like that. I think most of the people making them are experienced enough, and smart enough to know that filling the movie with that kind dialogue is going to do nothing but alienate a large portion of their audience, and will not age well.
 
I'm hoping they ditch the love triangle, especially since Cyclops and Jean have had a lot more importance to their characters the last several years and Logan hasn't been terribly relevant himself.
Considering the comics are pushing Logan/Storm really hard now, I wouldn't be surprised if the films finally moved past the whole Jean Grey love triangle at last.
 
I feel like Xavier opening his school will be the end of the next phase of the MCU. The phase after that will be about the mutants now creating the first X-Men official team. I think they might save Wolverine until then as well. Wolverine will mostly not be seen in this first phase. Though maybe they will drop a few teases for his return. We might get X-23 but much like with the female Silver Surfer whose name I can't recall she will be a placeholder for the arrival of Logan just like the SF in "Fantastic Four" is a placeholder for Norrin Radd.
 
Fuck that shit, now is the time to sack up and make these movies more political than ever.
Disney be like:
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The humorous ones are a lot better than the ranty ones. Duh.

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Considering the comics are pushing Logan/Storm really hard now, I wouldn't be surprised if the films finally moved past the whole Jean Grey love triangle at last.
The only reason the triangle existed to begin with was because of Chris Claremont's pettiness and then the 90s cartoons horrible portrayal of Cyclops and Jean.
 
How do you get "pettiness"? I always felt he was trying to inject some drama into Scott & Jean's rather boring dynamic.
He was angry that the Marvel Bosses interfered with his terrible idea to pair Cyclops up with a random woman who looked like Jean, was coincidentally in an accident the day Jean died and suffered an injury that took away all her memories so she couldn't remember her life before the day Jean died, and acted just like Jean.

So he decided to create a love triangle so that Scott and Jean wouldn't know peace.
 
He was angry that the Marvel Bosses interfered with his terrible idea to pair Cyclops up with a random woman who looked like Jean, was coincidentally in an accident the day Jean died and suffered an injury that took away all her memories so she couldn't remember her life before the day Jean died, and acted just like Jean.

So he decided to create a love triangle so that Scott and Jean wouldn't know peace.
Madelyn? Wasn't Jean dead when Scott got together with her? I think Byrne bringing Jean back was what upended the Scotty and Maddy romance
 
Madelyn? Wasn't Jean dead when Scott got together with her? I think Byrne bringing Jean back was what upended the Scotty and Maddy romance
Yes, Madelyn Pryor. Her whole character was ridiculously contrived and shouldn't have existed to begin with.

If Claremont wanted to retire Scott, he should've just had him get back with Lee Forrester and they sail away together.
 
Madelyn? Wasn't Jean dead when Scott got together with her? I think Byrne bringing Jean back was what upended the Scotty and Maddy romance
I haven't read those comics, but I've read about them since I've come across storylines dealing with it's aftermath, and that whole thing sounded kind of bonkers. But yeah, I'm pretty sure Jean was dead at the time he Madelyn, which makes me wonder if at one point she was going to be a reincarnation or clone of Jean or something like that, before they just brought the original Jean back.

Actually I just checked Wikipedia and she is clone of Jean. Was that always the intent or was it a later retcon.
Oh, and the article also said that Claremont's original intent was for Scott to retire and live was Madelyn, and he was pissed when they brought Jean back and made Madelyn a bad guy.
 
I haven't read those comics, but I've read about them since I've come across storylines dealing with it's aftermath, and that whole thing sounded kind of bonkers. But yeah, I'm pretty sure Jean was dead at the time he Madelyn, which makes me wonder if at one point she was going to be a reincarnation or clone of Jean or something like that, before they just brought the original Jean back.

Actually I just checked Wikipedia and she is clone of Jean. Was that always the intent or was it a later retcon.
Oh, and the article also said that Claremont's original intent was for Scott to retire and live was Madelyn, and he was pissed when they brought Jean back and made Madelyn a bad guy.

Creating Madelyne was the actual stupidity. I don't know what Claremont was thinking.
 
What happened to her marriage with T'Challa? (I'm a few years behind in Marvel news.)
That hasn't been a thing for over a decade.

After Avengers vs X-Men, which saw Wakanda devastated by a Phoenix powered Namor, T'Challa had the marriage annulled (mutants were persona non grata in Wakanda).

More recently, the Coates run rekindled the romantic relationship between Ororo and T'Challa, but it has since lapsed.

'Ro is currently bedding Logan, and was most recently quite disappointed to learn that she was not, in fact, pregnant with his child.
 
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