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Markings on saucer section of NCC-1701

For what it's worth...

STTOS_Drw_2Enterprises.jpg

Beautiful! I love images like this. It looks familiar. Where's it from. Damn if it doesn't show how big the Enterprise is!

But hey, either this isn't a true cross section, or it is, and there's a missing undercut on the primary hull!
 
For what it's worth...

STTOS_Drw_2Enterprises.jpg

Beautiful! I love images like this. It looks familiar. Where's it from. Damn if it doesn't show how big the Enterprise is!

But hey, either this isn't a true cross section, or it is, and there's a missing undercut on the primary hull!
I'd assume you're kidding around, but just in case you're not...

This is the drawing, created by Matt Jefferies for the Season 1 Star Trek writer's guide, which I was referring to, above. He created it in either 1965 or 1966, then. This is the drawing which I was referring to when I talked about how the undercut didn't appear to be MJ's intent, and that the undercut may have been added to give a bit more "shadow" to the ship under studio lighting conditions in this region, so that it wouldn't go "optical illusion" on the viewer and end up looking like a sphere.

Obviously that drawing isn't how the models were built, but it does seem to infer that MJ was thinking "two complete decks," not "a deck and a half."

Half the last page was spent talking about this, after all... ;)
 
I would warn against attempts to read omission as intent... it tends to lead to a lot of very bizarre theories. For example, I forgot my keys at home last week, was my intent never to return?

From the point of view of someone drawing this stuff, it is easier to not draw this aspect... at all. No effort is require to forget to add it, but more effort than usual is required to include it. Jefferies took such efforts on a number of occasions (even before the models were built).

The omission of the undercut on a drawing that was in fact based on a trace of another drawing he had done on sheets about the size of a standard piece of paper intended as a general reference for the writers seems like a weak argument for a theory of intent.

But I'll leave it to each of you guys to decide... here are a number of Jefferies sketches which might be helpful to either side of the discussion.

jefferies_sketches_2.jpg

Of course if Jefferies didn't want the undercut, removing it would have been quite simple when he revisited the design in 1977 for Phase II.

I don't know what the undercut is for any more than I know what the markings on the underside are for. I do believe that people shouldn't take their own personal theories so personally if others disagree. Many of us have threads where we can lament our own theories which is why I would hesitate to push them in a thread like this (where a study of the evidence on hand would be more productive).

But if we are talking about how Jefferies might have viewed it, it seems like it was not meant as an undercut, but an extension downwards from the hull. Time and again he added a straight edge and change of angle on his primary hull drawings. I don't know what it was for, but I do know that even after that feature failed to show up on the models he continued to include it on his drawings.
 
I would warn against attempts to read omission as intent... it tends to lead to a lot of very bizarre theories. For example, I forgot my keys at home last week, was my intent never to return?
Depends... how are things at home? ;)
Of course if Jefferies didn't want the undercut, removing it would have been quite simple when he revisited the design in 1977 for Phase II.
Well, at that point I'm sure that his concept had been influenced by what was already built, as well. I'd be surprised if he had never spent any time with the 11' model, after all.
But if we are talking about how Jefferies might have viewed it, it seems like it was not meant as an undercut, but an extension downwards from the hull. Time and again he added a straight edge and change of angle on his primary hull drawings. I don't know what it was for, but I do know that even after that feature failed to show up on the models he continued to include it on his drawings.
That's not unreasonable.

One of the many (conflicting) Trek references sitting in my bookshelf shows the Enterprise (at a scale of probably something like 1400' in length, though still LISTING the 947' number). In that book, there is a cross-section view of the primary hull, with two full deck heights in the "shallow" region of the saucer, and then an underslung "equipment bay" around the underside of the outer perimeter. In that case, it was described as being where the "gravity generation" system was, and which also served as the anti-gravity generation ring for landing purposes.

Yes, it's just conjecture... as far as I know, neither MJ nor anyone else ever said anything to that effect. But it does sort of seem like something that might have been part of the "flying saucer, landing" concept, so it's not COMPLETELY out of left field.
 
Cary, I'm really curious about that reference book title, That diagram doesn't sound like anything that I'm familiar with - and I thought that I had just about all of the reference books, both official and "un-official".
 
Yeah, that seems interesting - as is the Jefferies painting of the E that Shaw posted above. I've never seen that before. :techman:
 
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