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Many have said the Dominion should have won the war...

JM1776

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... and, considering how formidable an entity the writers made it over the years, that's a pretty reasonable position.

Let's look at it from the other side, though: Other than the fashion in which the series did end, another deus ex machina or one that climaxes with the Founders all dead of Contagion 31, leaving the Dominion in chaos and unable to press its advantage, could you (or, as a group, we) come up with a plausible scenario that both leaves the Federation victorious and you satisfied that it was an exciting, plausible and Trek ending?

[Note that "No, I would have had the Dominion win" (or any variant thereof) is not a valid answer for the purposes of this discussion. We've already acknowledged that such was a viable ending.]

I'd always thought that a climax in which the crew discover Section 31's attempted genocide, concoct or procure the antidote, and then manage to fight their way past Klingons, Romulans and even certain factions of Starfleet under the control of 31 to deliver the cure either to the Federation Council or the Founders themselves (thereby convincing the latter of humanity's genuinely good intentions) could have been written quite convincingly. Others, I know, might think such a series of events either sentimental on my part or downright stupid on the UFP's (especially if you feel 'Starfleet woke up to certain hard realities during the war') ... but it's only one possible variant.

Anyone have another?
 
The Dominion, while powerful, was hamstrung by its leadership. The Founders even stated that they valued Odo more than winning the war.

Much as the German army in WWII was handicapped by Hitler's incessant micro-management, the Dominion was brought down because of the arrogance and narrow-mindedness of the Founders. I thought that the series ended plausibly.

Does this count as a Godwin?
 
No I can't see the Federation/Klingon/Romulan Alliance winning. That the Prophets destroyed the Dominion reinforcements was the only way to keep that alliance from losing.

However though, had it become a broader ranged war, a war where the Federation was able to get the Gorn, Tholians, Children of Tamar, the First Federation and others on their side, groups that could supply enough men and ships to fight a war on the scale the Prophets stopped would have helped. They would have had to break the treaty with the Romulans and started using the phasing cloak. The Federation would have had to lose all its morals. Use things like the Genesis device, or the Solitan wave as weapons, use suicidal missions to destroy stars use everything they had then the odds would have been tilted in favor of the Federation Alliance.
 
I can't think of a great way, but a couple of possibilities might include:

The Federation and Romulans jointly harnassing the Iconian technology to carry out major, behind-the-lines strikes against the Dominion.

The Dominion fleet encountering a few Borg cubes - I know, I know....a fanboy's dream

Odo and a couple of other Changelings (maybe the other one he encountered on DS9 that was sent out like he was) convincing enough Vorta and Jem H'Dar to join them to start a Dominion Civil War.

Release the Pah'wraiths into the Gamma Quadrant.
 
I think a better ending would have been sending the Enterprise-E, Voyager (after it's return) and the Defiant into battle on their own, those 3 ships alone would have wiped out the entire Dominion fleet, sending in other ships is pointless, they'd just be cannon fodder.
 
I don't really have a problem with the ending, the Dominion might be powerful, but it is still 70,000 ly away and once the wormhole was taken out I had no problem with the combined forces of the Romulans, Klingons and Federation defeating the Dominion.

Having the Founder surrender wrapped it up nicely give the short time they had left. Still I wouldn't have been upset if she didn't surrender her forces and died, leaving the Federation not only having to take back Cardassia Prime but every single Union world with a Jem'Hadar on it. The war was won but a lengthy campaign to free Cardassian worlds still ahead of them would have been interesting. Odo could then leave disillusioned with solids to return to the Great Link and cure his people and the Dominion threat can still loom large.

Though for this to work you'd need to end the war two or more episodes before the last episode to fully explore this.
 
I would have liked a scenario in which DS9 is destroyed in order to collaspe entrance to the wormhole and separate the Dominion in the AQ from its leadership. Maybe midway through the seventh season? Then, without the founders to guide them, the Cardassians and the Vorta start to clash eventually leading to their downfall.

Maybe there's also a subplot with the Bajorans initially being in conflict with the Federation about whether or not to collapse the wormhole. Then the Dominion betray the non-aggression treaty for some reason (maybe they ask for Bajoran economic or or supply aid and the Bajorans refuse under threat of Federation reprisal, thus enraging the Dominion?), putting Bajor in peril and they must choose between the destruction of their planet or the destruction of their only connection to the Prophets. Ultimately they refuse to betray their deities but Starfleet (Section 31?) ignores them reasoning that irritation of the Bajorans and loss of the wormhole is a small price to pay when the alternative is defeat.

This would open a TON of potential story lines for Kira, Sisko, Winn, and maybe even Dukat/Pah Wraiths (perhaps the Pah Wraiths goal is to get back into the temple and their uber pissed when the Feds mess with that plan?). It would also leave Odo with the decision of whether or not to go through the wormhole and reunite with his people, or be stuck with the solids for the forseeable future. (Crazy, but probably stupid idea: If he chooses to stay they could also have the female changeling decide that she'd rather be with Odo in the AQ then continue the war and have her decide to call it off, only to have Damar kill her.)

Ultimately, the Cardassian/Dominion alliance falls apart, but not before the Dominion makes one final, pointless, stand and millions of lives are lost in a final battle. I'd also kill off some of the regular characters - maybe O'Brien - to really punch home the "war is full of pointless death" idea.

The idea of using the destruction of the station to close the wormhole would be a key, as it would add a lot of emotional punch for everyone involved.
 
I would have liked a scenario in which DS9 is destroyed in order to collaspe entrance to the wormhole and separate the Dominion in the AQ from its leadership. Maybe midway through the seventh season? Then, without the founders to guide them, the Cardassians and the Vorta start to clash eventually leading to their downfall.

Maybe there's also a subplot with the Bajorans initially being in conflict with the Federation about whether or not to collapse the wormhole. Then the Dominion betray the non-aggression treaty for some reason (maybe they ask for Bajoran economic or or supply aid and the Bajorans refuse under threat of Federation reprisal, thus enraging the Dominion?), putting Bajor in peril and they must choose between the destruction of their planet or the destruction of their only connection to the Prophets. Ultimately they refuse to betray their deities but Starfleet (Section 31?) ignores them reasoning that irritation of the Bajorans and loss of the wormhole is a small price to pay when the alternative is defeat.

This would open a TON of potential story lines for Kira, Sisko, Winn, and maybe even Dukat/Pah Wraiths (perhaps the Pah Wraiths goal is to get back into the temple and their uber pissed when the Feds mess with that plan?). It would also leave Odo with the decision of whether or not to go through the wormhole and reunite with his people, or be stuck with the solids for the forseeable future. (Crazy, but probably stupid idea: If he chooses to stay they could also have the female changeling decide that she'd rather be with Odo in the AQ then continue the war and have her decide to call it off, only to have Damar kill her.)

Ultimately, the Cardassian/Dominion alliance falls apart, but not before the Dominion makes one final, pointless, stand and millions of lives are lost in a final battle. I'd also kill off some of the regular characters - maybe O'Brien - to really punch home the "war is full of pointless death" idea.

The idea of using the destruction of the station to close the wormhole would be a key, as it would add a lot of emotional punch for everyone involved.

That's pretty dark and I love it, except for one minor point: the name of the show is Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. You can't very well destroy the main setting of the series 1/2 way through the final season. Maybe in the last episode, but not before.
 
The Dominion, while powerful, was hamstrung by its leadership. The Founders even stated that they valued Odo more than winning the war.
Which didn't have anything to do with how the Feddies actually won the war.

They won because the Prophets slammed the wormhole shut, cutting off Dominion re-supply. After that, it was a war of attrition and it was only a matter of time until the Dominion lost.

The Dominion could have stretched things out and made things very painful for everyone if the Founder had ordered the Jems to fight to the death, but she didn't, after undergoing an inexplicable personality change via writer fiat just because Odo linked with her. I guess you could say that happened because she was weakened by the disease, which of course means that S31 was right all along: their attempt at genocide saved millions of lives. Good for them! :bolian:

To summarize: the Feds won because of arbitrary intervention by dieties and they didn't suffer worse than they did because they are as nasty and ruthless as the Dominion is, when push comes to shove.

Hmm. Now I know where Ron Moore got all his ideas for BSG from - not so different from Star Trek after all.

I think a better ending would have been sending the Enterprise-E, Voyager (after it's return) and the Defiant into battle on their own, those 3 ships alone would have wiped out the entire Dominion fleet, sending in other ships is pointless, they'd just be cannon fodder.
Hah hah, the ultimate fanboy ending. Then the crews of all three ships celebrate their victory at Quark's with a round of bloodwine and a friendly game of poker. That would have been so horrible, how could you not love it?

And nobody dared destroy DS9. It would have just given the Bablyoniacs more fodder in their War Without End. :eek:
 
I can't think of a great way, but a couple of possibilities might include:

The Federation and Romulans jointly harnassing the Iconian technology to carry out major, behind-the-lines strikes against the Dominion.

Odo and a couple of other Changelings (maybe the other one he encountered on DS9 that was sent out like he was) convincing enough Vorta and Jem H'Dar to join them to start a Dominion Civil War.

Release the Pah'wraiths into the Gamma Quadrant.

nice
 
I would have liked a scenario in which DS9 is destroyed in order to collaspe entrance to the wormhole and separate the Dominion in the AQ from its leadership. Maybe midway through the seventh season? Then, without the founders to guide them, the Cardassians and the Vorta start to clash eventually leading to their downfall.

Maybe there's also a subplot with the Bajorans initially being in conflict with the Federation about whether or not to collapse the wormhole. Then the Dominion betray the non-aggression treaty for some reason (maybe they ask for Bajoran economic or or supply aid and the Bajorans refuse under threat of Federation reprisal, thus enraging the Dominion?), putting Bajor in peril and they must choose between the destruction of their planet or the destruction of their only connection to the Prophets. Ultimately they refuse to betray their deities but Starfleet (Section 31?) ignores them reasoning that irritation of the Bajorans and loss of the wormhole is a small price to pay when the alternative is defeat.

This would open a TON of potential story lines for Kira, Sisko, Winn, and maybe even Dukat/Pah Wraiths (perhaps the Pah Wraiths goal is to get back into the temple and their uber pissed when the Feds mess with that plan?). It would also leave Odo with the decision of whether or not to go through the wormhole and reunite with his people, or be stuck with the solids for the forseeable future. (Crazy, but probably stupid idea: If he chooses to stay they could also have the female changeling decide that she'd rather be with Odo in the AQ then continue the war and have her decide to call it off, only to have Damar kill her.)

Ultimately, the Cardassian/Dominion alliance falls apart, but not before the Dominion makes one final, pointless, stand and millions of lives are lost in a final battle. I'd also kill off some of the regular characters - maybe O'Brien - to really punch home the "war is full of pointless death" idea.

The idea of using the destruction of the station to close the wormhole would be a key, as it would add a lot of emotional punch for everyone involved.

That's pretty dark and I love it, except for one minor point: the name of the show is Star Trek: Deep Space Nine. You can't very well destroy the main setting of the series 1/2 way through the final season. Maybe in the last episode, but not before.

I kind of see it as the series would basically be over midway through the 7th when DS9 is destroyed. The rest is just an epilogue, showing us how the Dominion fell apart without resources, why war is pointless, etc... Of course, you're right, it would never happen, but I think it would be cool.

Nevertheless, my endgame story could still work even without the destruction of DS9. As an alternative they could move DS9 back to orbit around Bajor in order to protect it while the Feds collapse the wormhole, thus bringing the series full circle.
 
^ In Season Six it was implied after the Federation retook the station that the nonaggression pact between Bajor and the Dominion was nullified. In canon it was implied, in the noncanon it was confirmed so the Dominion was probably coming either way.

I always thought in the final scenes of WYLB she was going to turn back toward Garak/Kira/Odo and say something like, "It is done. I have ordered the Jem'Hadar fleet to open fire upon the Federation Alliance and we will end this war once and for all." But then, as I said in another thread, to the Founders Odo was more important than the war (and apparently the Dominion's record of not losing once in 10 thousand years.
 
They won because the Prophets slammed the wormhole shut, cutting off Dominion re-supply. After that, it was a war of attrition and it was only a matter of time until the Dominion lost.

Actually, it sounded more like it would be a war of attrition that the Dominion would win.

Remember that more than a year after these guys were cut off from their home base, their fleets were said to outnumber the Klingon forces 20 to one. Dismiss much of that as hyperbole, and you are still left with the fact that the isolated Dominion beachhead was vastly more powerful than one of the leading Alpha combatants, after a long war of attrition. This implies growth rather than decline, as it would make no sense for the Dominion to have been even stronger a year before yet still to have failed to defeat the Alpha forces back then.

The Dominion's strength wasn't so much in technological superiority or superior numbers as it was in the ability to keep up the numbers. It seems that the beachhead forces could spawn new ships at the rate they spawned new Jem'Hadar, a feat the Federation could not have matched even in peacetime, let alone when having its dockyards and supply routes raided. Sisko and Ross acknowledged as much in "WYLB", agreeing that a failure to press on with the assault against the last Dominion stand at the Cardassian system would simply allow the enemy to rebuild and eventually triumph. Even a basically suicidal attack with 40% projected losses was considered justifiable and necessary in the situation.

Good thing the war wasn't decided on the battlefields...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Actually, it sounded more like it would be a war of attrition that the Dominion would win.

Remember that more than a year after these guys were cut off from their home base, their fleets were said to outnumber the Klingon forces 20 to one. Dismiss much of that as hyperbole, and you are still left with the fact that the isolated Dominion beachhead was vastly more powerful than one of the leading Alpha combatants, after a long war of attrition. This implies growth rather than decline, as it would make no sense for the Dominion to have been even stronger a year before yet still to have failed to defeat the Alpha forces back then.

Of course it does. The Romulan fleet changed the equation vastly upon its entry into the conflict during "In the Pale Moonlight," and the Breen are being taken into account when their commander makes his statement, much later, in "When It Rains."

We have no idea the strength of the Federation or Romulan fleets as the Breen energy disspator and navy are brought into play ... and considering Worf's observation about Klingon vessels pressing their attacks home more relentlessly than Romulan (and one would assume Federation) starships, along with what must have been a disastrous, near calamitous, first engagement with the Jem'Hadar just before being expelled from Cardassian territory in "By Inferno's Light," it's reasonable to speculate that the Klingon fleet, which had begun fighting the Dominion six months before the Federation and a year before the Romulans, was far more depleted, numerically speaking, than those of its allies by "When It Rains."

The writers seemed to fudge the numbers constantly, for the sake of story. For example, it's unlikely that 2,800 ships would have been enough to definitively, decisively turn the war's tide in "Sacrifice of Angels" if the Dominion Axis already had 30,000 ships in the field. Clearly they didn't have those kinds of numbers at that point.

The Breen must have had a startlingly large fleet, too, considering Damar's comment on it in "The Changing Face of Evil." Five or six thousand ships seems plausible. Hell, even eight to ten isn't out of the question, considering the late stage at which they entered the war with a navy that had seen no action before its mobilzation in late 2375.

In addition, the "isolated Dominion beachhead" of which you speak had, at that point, the production capabilities it had brought into the Alpha Quadrant, as well as the material resources of the entire Cardassian Union and Breen Confederacy—assuming the latter's contribution to the Alliance wasn't simply devastating new tech and an enormous expeditionary force, of course.

The Dominion's strength wasn't so much in technological superiority or superior numbers as it was in the ability to keep up the numbers. It seems that the beachhead forces could spawn new ships at the rate they spawned new Jem'Hadar, a feat the Federation could not have matched even in peacetime, let alone when having its dockyards and supply routes raided. Sisko and Ross acknowledged as much in "WYLB", agreeing that a failure to press on with the assault against the last Dominion stand at the Cardassian system would simply allow the enemy to rebuild and eventually triumph. Even a basically suicidal attack with 40% projected losses was considered justifiable and necessary in the situation.

I think it unlikely this interpretation is correct. I know it's not palatable in a literary or aesthetic sense, at least to me.

Sisko's speculation may well have more to do with the nature of the contending governments than any canonical acknowledgment of relative production rates at full strength. It's highly unlikely that the Federation would continue to produce ships and materiel in peacetime at the rate they did during the war. Thus, an armistice or treaty would have been advantageous to the Dominion Axis, because it would continue focusing its resources on gaining further numerical superiority, whilst the various factions in the Federation began debating the necessity of such a policy—no doubt to the dismay of its Klingon allies.

I still maintain that it's possible, even likely, that the Dominion transplanted an enormous amount of its overall production capability into the Alpha Quadrant in an attempt to conquer the Federation. If their resources were completely inexhaustible, after all, then why were only 2,800 ships poised at the wormhole's mouth after half a year of war, when, according to this school of thought, the Dominion was capable of effortlessly producing, say, 28,000?

A Dominion that can do whatever it likes by way of shipbuilding and troop production is wildly uninteresting—an unbeatable foe that would not have bothered resorting to trickery, sabotage, non-aggression pacts and other subtle methods to defeat the Federation. They would simply have amassed a 75,000-ship fleet, poured through the wormhole on a sudden, and overwhelmed the Alpha Quadrant en masse.

Good thing the war wasn't decided on the battlefields...

But if it had been, according to the projections the Federation Alliance would have achieved total victory with 40% losses across the board, while eradicating the opposition. A frightful price, to be sure, but ... certainly better than waiting five years and going through that Hell all over again.

But we digress. Let us return to the matter at hand. Thanks.
 
The writers seemed to fudge the numbers constantly, for the sake of story.

Quite so. But as the story has now been completed, we can take the numbers that have been given and interpret them as if they formed a coherent whole, and pray on our knees that no future movie or episode adds another confusing datapoint.

For example, it's unlikely that 2,800 ships would have been enough to definitively, decisively turn the war's tide in "Sacrifice of Angels" if the Dominion Axis already had 30,000 ships in the field. Clearly they didn't have those kinds of numbers at that point.

Agreed. Of course, we could argue that the 2,800 ships were only expected to decide the battle for the wormhole, not the entire war: they would have crushed the Alpha composite fleets present in the battle, resulting in a carnage rather than just a humiliating withdrawal.

I'd start from the assumption that the Dominion numbers (or weighed numbers - say, two Dominion ships for every Alpha one because the former had smaller ships on the average) would have been a bit below the combined total of UFP and Klingon numbers when the war began. The Dominion would have wanted numerical superiority, but the mining of the wormhole denied them that. The Feds in turn would have wanted more time to prepare, but the Dominion escalation denied them that. What followed, then, was a more or less even battle at multiple fronts, so a disparity in numbers does not appear likely. Note that at this point, Starfleet had struck a recent blow against Dominion shipbuilding assets.

After this, the numbers could vacillate whichever way, but we never quite get evidence of one side or the other being numerically superior. When the Romulans enter the equation, the key factor seems to be who gets to control the Romulan Neutral Zone, not who gets the fire support of Romulan starships. And when the Breen enter, the key factor seems to be their superweapon, not their numbers.

It's highly unlikely that the Federation would continue to produce ships and materiel in peacetime at the rate they did during the war. Thus, an armistice or treaty would have been advantageous to the Dominion Axis, because it would continue focusing its resources on gaining further numerical superiority, whilst the various factions in the Federation began debating the necessity of such a policy—no doubt to the dismay of its Klingon allies.

Well, as an aside, there's little evidence of wartime production of starships on the Alpha side to begin with. And at the time of this dialogue, the Dominion reescalation potential is limited to what the Cardassian home system can offer. If Sisko is afraid of the Dominion at that point, he must have knowledge of truly exceptional Dominion rebuilding abilities - after all, didn't the Cardassians start conquering their neighbors because their own star system wasn't providing them with sufficient resources?

Sisko shouldn't be considering wasting 40% of the combat force (which, for all appearances, was a major commitment for the Alphans, unlike the fleet that retook DS9 had been) unless the emergency were dire and concrete. Taking a risk like that might mean the end of the Federation, as a catastrophically crippled Starfleet would leave the UFP wide open to invasion by second-rate enemies even if the Dominion were defeated.

I still maintain that it's possible, even likely, that the Dominion transplanted an enormous amount of its overall production capability into the Alpha Quadrant in an attempt to conquer the Federation.

That would be an even more incredible technological feat than saying that a relatively insignificant fraction of Dominion production capacity was allocated and was able to best the Alpha capabilities. Uprooting of one's industries and moving them through a wormhole in a matter of months speaks of godlike powers, and should carry the connotation that the uprooted industries could be replaced at a moment's notice on the other side - and, further, that said industries could then be doubled within the next few months, and then increased by a third again, and so forth.

When Stalin moved his industries to beyond Ural in WWII, it didn't denote the loss of industrial capabilities to the west of the mountains. Rather, it denoted the vast overall industrial potential of the USSR, and the loss of the western assets was a largely unrelated and irrelevant event.

I'd much rather believe that the Dominion wasn't capable of such impromptu action, and was instead simply sending the standard expeditionary force it had available for major wars, with some nonstandard reinforcing elements to cope with the special circumstances.

If their resources were completely inexhaustible, after all, then why were only 2,800 ships poised at the wormhole's mouth after half a year of war, when, according to this school of thought, the Dominion was capable of effortlessly producing, say, 28,000?

Why would more ships be needed on this rather insignificant front if there indeed existed the capacity to produce 28,000? The beachhead force wouldn't be dependent on the wormhole for shipbuilding logistics, and would only fight over it for the need to get the Gamma/Alpha lines of command and communication open again.

The assumption of about 10,000 ships on each side to begin with would nicely allow for a Federation/Klingon balance commeasurate with prewar Federation/Klingon relations
- say, a 6,000/4,000 to 8,000/2,000 ratio. Originally, the Dominion would be crippled by the strikes against their shipyards, but slowly their effect would wane. Romulans would send in only about 1,000 ships, and the Breen would commit little but bravado and superweapons at first, there being no time to get their industries to contribute significantly before the war ended.

Such a scheme would also jibe with a two-digit number of Starfleet combat fleets, each with three-digit numbers of ships, as spoken of on screen.

A Dominion that can do whatever it likes by way of shipbuilding and troop production is wildly uninteresting—an unbeatable foe that would not have bothered resorting to trickery, sabotage, non-aggression pacts and other subtle methods to defeat the Federation.

Then again, we know that the Dominion rules on the Gamma side without having to resort to direct military force - the Jem'Hadar are semi-mythical bogeymen, the Founders a mere legend. The Dominion also prefers to enslave, not destroy. Subtlety and subterfuge would be in their blood, if they have any. And it would be necessary for setting up shop even if that shop could then proceed to outproduce all Alpha competition.

But we digress. Let us return to the matter at hand. Thanks.

Uh, huh? If this isn't the matter at hand, I can't figure what is...

That is, I think the way the events unfolded is dramatically defensible and gets my supporting vote out of all possible scenarios. And the supporting vote takes the form of describing how I feel the events unfolded. For an "alternate" story, I'd simply have added a bit more dialogue on how the Dominion was outproducing everybody...

Timo Saloniemi
 
Temis is right. The wormhole being closed cost the Dominion the Alpha Quadrant. The Allies weren't fighting the Dominion at full force from that point on, they were fighting the small piece of it that was stuck in the Alpha Quadrant.

Yes, the Dominion had the ability to produce ships and troops en masse but it wasn't enough. Once the Romulans and then the Cardassians turned against them, and then they lost the advantage the Breen energy dampening weapon gave them the writing was on the wall.

Odo agreeing to return to the Founders radically altered the Founders' beliefs about solids, however. If the wormhole had somehow been reopened the Allies would not have stood a chance.
 
1) Play Odo like a cello
2) Find the Founder's new planet
3) String the war out 'till Voyager returns (wink wink)
4) Send in Janeway, high on coffee
5) Armor up
6) Transphasic torpedoes to any Heavy Battle Ships standing in the way.
7) Full spread of photon torpedoes delivered (if they had any left, but they could always pick up some more at WalMart on Star Base 5) to Founder's Planet
8) Jem'hadar commits haricari
9) Vorta go into hiding
10) War over, peace in our time. Yay
 
... and, considering how formidable an entity the writers made it over the years, that's a pretty reasonable position.

Let's look at it from the other side, though: Other than the fashion in which the series did end, another deus ex machina or one that climaxes with the Founders all dead of Contagion 31, leaving the Dominion in chaos and unable to press its advantage, could you (or, as a group, we) come up with a plausible scenario that both leaves the Federation victorious and you satisfied that it was an exciting, plausible and Trek ending?

[Note that "No, I would have had the Dominion win" (or any variant thereof) is not a valid answer for the purposes of this discussion. We've already acknowledged that such was a viable ending.]

I'd always thought that a climax in which the crew discover Section 31's attempted genocide, concoct or procure the antidote, and then manage to fight their way past Klingons, Romulans and even certain factions of Starfleet under the control of 31 to deliver the cure either to the Federation Council or the Founders themselves (thereby convincing the latter of humanity's genuinely good intentions) could have been written quite convincingly. Others, I know, might think such a series of events either sentimental on my part or downright stupid on the UFP's (especially if you feel 'Starfleet woke up to certain hard realities during the war') ... but it's only one possible variant.

Anyone have another?

I think ultimately there were three major reasons for the fall of the Dominion to the federation,

1. Cardassian Revolt
2. Contagion 31
3. Odo's influence

I ultimately found the ending VERY believable, but credit MUST go to Section 31-- because without their contagion the Federation would have easily lost.
 
*Waiting for someone to come in and say that they didn't do it honorably and that the ends didn't justify the means. It always happens.
 
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