Maltz WAS Killed After All

[Nedersong]

In ST III Kirk said to Maltz:

"You'd better help us."

Maltz said "Id rather die."

To which Kirk replied "Fine I'll kill you later."

And everybody thought that was a joke and had a good laugh.

Now, I think Kirk was not joking and actually carried this out. Why?

Because Maltz was absent from ST IV. There was no hint of him at all.

Now, he could've just been left in the brig. But presumably they would've been stuck in the past for several days and Maltz would've needed to be fed.

So they might have actually spaced Maltz. But that would've been tantamount to murder. So would've starving him in the brig.

Which meant that while they were stuck in the pastMaltz was there if they did anything to keep him alive. And it would've been a different movie if Maltz would've escaped into our earth of the past.

Instead they left Maltz to drown when they crashed in the bay. Unless he was able to escape himself. Which means that there's a Klingon on the loose in Sna Francisco during Kirk's time.

Or they let him drown when they crashed

If there had been another ship to intercept them to take Maltz to an internment camp of some sort somewhere that could've changed the entire movie as well.

So Maltz inexplicably disappeared and we never heard from him again.

Or maybe just maybe he's jumping around in time as we speak, being one of the many agents involved with the tempporal cold war.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

Or... the crew locked him into a section of the Bird of Prey until after the whole 'revive Spock' thing, then gave him over to the Vulcans. The Vulcans would proceed to turn him over to the Klingons.

...Where he would likely be executed.

 

[Augustus]

Actually,
I read somewhere in an interview that Maltz after the crew landed on Vulcan,
escaped the crew's clutches and lived in the vulcan desert for 4 years before reappearing as a TOS era Klingon, he successfully pretended to be a human and then stowed away on a ship to the Klingon empire. Out of the Vulcan heat, he re-grew his Klingon ridges and then took a different name and started a humble klingon house in the Ketha lowlands. The name of the house was Martok.

Or so I read.

 

[Indysolo]

It's been years since I read it, but I recall the novelization stating that Maltz killed himself.

Neil

 

[Mysterion]

Or maybe just maybe he's jumping around in time as we speak, being one of the many agents involved with the tempporal cold war.

Another Enterprise mystery solved: Maltz was Future Guy!

 

[Longinus]

Umm... I think they just left him on Vulcan.

 

[Brian]

Now, I think Kirk was not joking and actually carried this out. Why?

Because Maltz was absent from ST IV. There was no hint of him at all.

Time passed between Star Treks III and IV, you know.

Does this sound familiar?

Captain's Log, Stardate 8390... We are in the third month of our Vulcan exile...

 

[Meredith]

Would anyone notice a Klingon running around in present day San Fransisco?

Probably not!

 

[Therin of Andor]

Would anyone notice a Klingon running around in present day San Fransisco?

Funny you should mention that! Check the link below.

Meanwhile:

ST IV novelization: Vonda McIntyre briefly mentions that Maltz committed suicide rather than face a Vulcan detention cell.

The Klingon Dictionary: Marc Okrand thanks Maltz in the acknowledgements for his assistance with the translations.

"The Next Generation: The Genesis Wave" Books 1 & 2: Both Maltz and Carol Marcus are elderly but still alive in the 24th Century, and Maltz helps to rescue the kidnapped Marcus and prevent the unleashed wave from destroying too many planets.

And then there's my fan film, "Free Maltz" (1987):
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/2008/08/free-maltz-as-i-mentioned-recently-ive.html

 

[Red Ranger]

Would anyone notice a Klingon running around in present day San Fransisco?

Funny you should mention that! Check the link below.

Meanwhile:

ST IV novelization: Vonda McIntyre briefly mentions that Maltz committed suicide rather than face a Vulcan detention cell.

The Klingon Dictionary: Marc Okrand thanks Maltz in the acknowledgements for his assistance with the translations.

"The Next Generation: The Genesis Wave" Books 1 & 2: Both Maltz and Carol Marcus are elderly but still alive in the 24th Century, and Maltz helps to rescue the kidnapped Marcus and prevent the unleashed wave from destroying too many planets.

And then there's my fan film, "Free Maltz" (1987):
http://therinofandor.blogspot.com/2008/08/free-maltz-as-i-mentioned-recently-ive.html

Any resemblance to Free Willy? -- RR

 

[Meredith]

ST IV novelization: Vonda McIntyre briefly mentions that Maltz committed suicide rather than face a Vulcan detention cell.

"The Next Generation: The Genesis Wave" Books 1 & 2: Both Maltz and Carol Marcus are elderly but still alive in the 24th Century, and Maltz helps to rescue the kidnapped Marcus and prevent the unleashed wave from destroying too many planets.

He is Schrodinger's Klingon, neither alive nor dead until you observe him....

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Oh Hell, the Vulcans would have repatriated Maltz without much fuss or difficulty. Once Kirk and company landed on Vulcan, the Klingon ceased to be their problem.

 

[Saga]

i always liked to think that he was kept on Vulcan and eventually accepted the teachings of Surak. a logical Klingon.

 

[Lieut. Arex]

Time passed between Star Treks III and IV, you know.

Does this sound familiar?

Captain's Log, Stardate 8390... We are in the third month of our Vulcan exile...

Three months is a long time... a long hungry time with nothing to eat but plomeek and plomeek gets old fast.

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

Kirk and Company tried to ditch numerous times over those 3 months, but he was sooo klingy. Later he was castrated and the Vulcans made Maltz-o-ball soup.

 

[Peach Wookiee]

I remember the Trek IV novelization explanation. The Klingon government was...unhappy...

 

[sbk1234]

^^^^Interesting that I always saw Maltz in a very different light. I always thought that he was the one who was most insightful at what would be in the Klingon Empire's best interest, while Kruge went in firing both barrels, and besically fucked up the whole operation. And since the Klingons and Federation were already in peace negotiations at that time, as evidenced by Kruge's line of dialogue to that, I doubt Kruge's incursion into Federation space and attack of the Grissom were sanctioned, anyway.
When Kruge was only seeing Genesis as a weapon, Maltz (as I interpreted it) was seeing the potential for Genesis to be a benefit to the Klingon Empire. IIRC, a comon fan idea at the time was the Klingon Empire had a lot of poor planets without many resources. This would seem to be confirmed by TUC. Maltz was acting for his people's best interests, while Kruge was just running amok, IMO.

 

[Phantassm]

I think he drowned in the brig of the BOP when the ship sank in San Francisco Harbor.

 

[Timo]

And since the Klingons and Federation were already in peace negotiations at that time, as evidenced by Kruge's line of dialogue to that, I doubt Kruge's incursion into Federation space and attack of the Grissom were sanctioned, anyway.

Unless that was a bargaining tactic - what better incentive to get the Feds to start talking peace in earnest than present them with the threat of "rogue" Klingon lunatics flying around in UFP space in invisible ships and shooting at stuff?

An invisible Klingon Bird of Prey was clearly not an unfamiliar or unexpected occurrence for our ST3 heroes. Could well be that Kruge wasn't the first "rogue" to go traipsing through UFP holdings.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[cooleddie74]

Kirk probably just left Maltz behind on Vulcan in the custody of the local authorities, who most likely arranged to have him returned him to Klingon territory either before or after the Whale Probe Crisis subsided.