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Mad Men, Season 5. General Discussion Thread (spoilers welcome)

Don clearly crossed a line twice, both with the car incident and the domestic violence back at the apartment. No excusing his behavior in either case.

At the same time it was fascinating and sad watching both Don and Megan act like the two biggest five year olds on earth at that Howard Johnson's. Don making her order a particular desert, Megan shoving it in her mouth in front of the waitress and acting out like a kid forced to each her vegetables, Don insulting Megan's mother, Megan bringing up Don's mom being dead.

Really, neither of them came off well. It was like a primer on how not to argue with your spouse.

In addition, there seems to be a bit of a creepy sado-masochism dynamic between Don and Megan. This is the second time (the fight after the birthday party being the first) where they push each other's buttons into near violence followed by wild make-up sex. Maybe that's their thing?

Ultimately, the best scene was Bert calling Don on the carpet, Obi-wan style, to tell him he was screwing up, followed by Don's helpless staring out the conference room windows at the staff. Did anyone else notice the echos of the opening credits the way Don was semi-silhouetted standing there?
 
I've long been torn about the opening credits. Will it eventually be just symbolic or actually prophetic? And, yeah, I also noticed that bit at the tail end of the episode.

This whole series has actually been about people attaining something they want and then either screwing it up (because they can't help themselves) or not being happy with what they've gained. Practically nothing seems to pan out the way they hope. They grow a bit, maybe learn a little something, and then mess up again by some weakness they thought they had mastered, but really didn't.

And, really, thats quite true of a lot of people in real life. No one in this show is really all good or all bad. They're mixtures in various degrees. Henry and Trudy seem to be the best ones of the bunch and yet we really haven't seen that much of them since it's their spouses that are focused on. Part of whats fascinating about this show is because these characters are complex and not just archetypes.
 
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I've long been torn about the opening credits. Will it eventually be just symbolic or actually prophetic?

Anyone else catch the line in the season's opening ep that the windows at SCDP don't open?
 
Don and Megan are muddy waters. Muddy, muddy, muddy. Don put Megan on the spot in front of everyone at SCDP but she could've made less of a scene with the icecream. My mother died when I was 18 so I can sympathize with Don getting up and leaving Howard Johnson's. His driving off, on the other hand, was a completely different story. Then there's the knocking down the door. At the very least I can tell Don is more passionate about Megan than Betty if only because I could never picture Don knocking down the door just to be with Betty.

Bert telling Don he needs to focus on work again and that this is his business was pitch perfect.

What I wish we saw was some of how Roger and Jane fell out of love. It was so sudden. Even as late as the end of last season, there was no sign that Jane wasn't happily married even if Roger was secretly unhappy.

Peggy spoke to those Heinz guys almost like she was channeling Don. They probably would have taken it from Don, but not from "a girl." Frustration got the better of her.

She was channeling Don way too hard. I could hear her using Don Draper's inflections; but she applied what she learned from Don the wrong way. He wouldn't have been that combative and not right off the bat. Though I do agree with Peggy, the Heinz guy only likes to say "no." With or without Don, I don't think they would've gotten anywhere with Heinz; though it may have ended more amicably.
 
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Speaking of marriages, because it's expected Don and Megan's marriage is going to fail I think that's the exact reason it's going to succeed. What's the fun in something that would've been so obvious?

I'll even take it a step further. I'm going on record now; betting that Don and Megan will contrast everyone else's marriages falling apart this season (excluding Ken's). Not that Betty and Henry will divorce any time soon, if ever.
 
I'm still betting that Don and Betty fall into bed with each other at some point later in the season. They're both so dysfunctional it would be just like them to do that. I feel bad for Megan and Henry. Neither of them deserve it, but cheated on spouses rarely do.
 
I've long been torn about the opening credits. Will it eventually be just symbolic or actually prophetic?
I've always thought it was both. Don's life will crumble, hence the office falling to bits, then he'll literally fall to his death either by way of suicide or murder.
 
Or he could return to being who he really is - Dick Whitman. With the veil of "Donald Draper" stripped away he ends up living a simpler life. He is surprised that he is much happier that way. Breaking away from the consumerism lifestyle he has been selling all these years.
 
Or he could return to being who he really is - Dick Whitman. With the veil of "Donald Draper" stripped away he ends up living a simpler life. He is surprised that he is much happier that way. Breaking away from the consumerism lifestyle he has been selling all these years.
Nice.
 
This show is just full of surprises! :rommie: I want Roger's vodka bottle that sings Russian opera when you open it.

I got the impression Michael's story about being born in a concentration camp - while possible - will turn out to be BS. He probably is adopted, but has embellished his story. It might be interesting if he turns out to be not just imaginative but somewhat mentally ill - not enough to get him fired, but enough to be an issue.

I'm going with "metaphor" for the opening credits.
 
The guy hurled out the window in the opening? That's Pete Campbell! Sooner or later, somebody's going to do it! :lol:

Yeah, if four guys grab his arms and legs and really put some oomph into building up momentum by swinging him, they could probably send him through a plate glass window. Don, Roger, Peggy, Joan...teamwork! :rommie:
 
In this thread I read a fair bit of empathy for Pete Campbell. I think he's such a weenie and was so glad Lane clocked him. And Pete doesn't deserve Trudy....whom I think is yummy. :D
 
I didn't like him in the first two seasons and I can't stand him during the fifth. The Old Pete is back with a vengeance this year. I didn't mind him during the third and fourth season; with the sole exception of "Souvenir". It actually looked like he was maturing in S3 and S4. Guess I was wrong.
 
I've long been torn about the opening credits. Will it eventually be just symbolic or actually prophetic?

Anyone else catch the line in the season's opening ep that the windows at SCDP don't open?


Yeah. Also no one actually jumps out a window in the opening credits. The building falls apart around him.:p

Also I do not think Don will jump out a window. (Who knows someone else may) Weiner said in an interview last year that he would end the show in the present day (or close to it) to see where the characters end up. I doubt he would NOT want to show Don in present day.(who would be 87 this year)

I guess he could jump out a window at 89 the age Don would be in 2014 (year of possible last season) but I doubt it.:lol:
 
I'm interested in seeing Present Day but too many of the characters would be dead by now. I'd rather they flash forward to the Reagan Era.

Unless it were the present and they only had one or two characters, then showed what happened in 1969 or 1970 (which is when I assume the seventh season will take place) via flashbacks. Or they just flash forward at the very end of the last episode.
 
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