M*A*S*H 4077 camp maps?

[lawman]

I seem to remember two or three years back that one of the members on this forum posted a terrific set of maps/diagrams he'd worked out of the layout of the M*A*S*H camp -- both the outdoor version and the soundstage sets, all laid out in detail. Multiple versions, even, as he reviewed various episodes and drew different conclusions about where the floating walls went, etc.

I loved those maps, and participated in the discussion at the time, but the search engine doesn't turn them up anywhere now, so perhaps they were lost in the wilds of the site database at some point. Unfortunately, I don't even recall who the original poster was.

I'm asking now because I've recently recovered from a hard drive failure in which I lost (among quite a lot of other stuff) the copies of those maps I'd saved for future reference. Does anyone recall this thread? Is the original poster still around? Does he perchance have those maps still accessible somewhere online?

Any clues would be much appreciated!...

 

[lawman]

So no one at all remembers these? Or who created and posted them?

Drat...

 

[Apophis]

So no one at all remembers these? Or who created and posted them?

Drat...

I have (I think) what you want. I don't want to re-post them without permission, but PM me if you want me to email them to you.

 

[lawman]

Much obliged! Will do.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I wouldn't mind seeing those. It was always confusing trying to figure out the layout of the camp.

Good idea not posting them, they're pretty anal about M*A*S*H (still). The only things I've ever had taken off youtube were some clips from a M*A*S*H episode. CLIPS!

 

[Dar70]

I wouldn't mind seeing those. It was always confusing trying to figure out the layout of the camp.

Good idea not posting them, they're pretty anal about M*A*S*H (still). The only things I've ever had taken off youtube were some clips from a M*A*S*H episode. CLIPS!

Yeah I doubt any maps are really accurate.(in accordance to the shows canon) The ones mentioned above if I recall didnt even show where the rest of the 4077th slept. Seems like there was at least 30-50 in camp at any given time. Any maps would just be how the set was but not according to written dialog.

 

[Christopher]

^As I recall, the maps were presented as reconstructions of the sets, not as in-show representations of the camp.

 

[Misfit Toy]

^As I recall, the maps were presented as reconstructions of the sets, not as in-show representations of the camp.

That's what I remember too. They were quite well done, though...

 

[tharpdevenport]

The lay out changed, as I recall, with each bug out, since the new lay of the land they would settle at, was different. Plus I recall it also changed early on just for creative show decisions. I guess the layout would ultimately depend on the season and location.

 

[cardinal biggles]

Did it really change that much, though? The camp pretty much looked the same for most of the show's run. I remember there being three maps: one was the layout of the camp as presented in the Altman film, and the other two were representations of the camp as it existed for TV on location at the Fox Ranch, and the TV soundstage version of the camp.

 

[tharpdevenport]

Maybe not much, but if one is looking for maps, instead of just using memory or re-runs, then they are wanting it mroe precise for some reason, like say a fan fiction, but then you'd need to know which layout you're wanting and that would depend.

Kind of like asking for a layout of the Star Trek space.

 

[Christopher]

The lay out changed, as I recall, with each bug out, since the new lay of the land they would settle at, was different.

As I recall, when they bugged out they'd subsequently return to the same location by the end of the episode or 2-parter. When they shot on location, the geography of the camp remained a constant, with the helipad up on the hill above the camp. And the soundstage layout was pretty constant too. The only inconsistency was between the soundstage camp and the location camp; the former was much more compact and rectilinear.

 

[lawman]

Did it really change that much, though? The camp pretty much looked the same for most of the show's run. I remember there being three maps: one was the layout of the camp as presented in the Altman film, and the other two were representations of the camp as it existed for TV on location at the Fox Ranch, and the TV soundstage version of the camp.

Yep, that was it exactly. The mapmaker didn't claim to have things perfect -- he even included his ongoing revisions (much like starship modelers do on other boards here) as he re-viewed the show and took additional episodes into account -- but he seemed to get pretty darn close. Even indicated which tents got re-used for different personnel depending on the needs of a scene, for instance.

Maybe not much, but if one is looking for maps, instead of just using memory or re-runs, then they are wanting it mroe precise for some reason, like say a fan fiction, but then you'd need to know which layout you're wanting and that would depend.

No fanfic in mind on my part... I just find this kind of thing fascinating, and it adds an extra level to my enjoyment of the show. (I've often puzzled over the layout of the WKRP offices over the years, too, for instance, which so far as I can determine seem to be physically impossible.)

Kind of like asking for a layout of the Star Trek space.

Well, they published an entire book on that incorporating the diligent labor of quite a few people, so evidently there's an interest...

 

[Christopher]

By the way, the person who made and posted the maps was 137th Gebirg.

 

[lawman]

That sounds exactly right -- thank you! I'll look him up and send him a message.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Hello, all. That would be me! And yes, I still have them. Here ye go...enjoy!

Malibu Creek (Movie Configuration)

Malibu Creek (Series Configuration)

Stage 9 (Series)

Hospital Interior (Stage 9 - Series)

It has long been a plan of mine to do the hospital interior at Malibu Creek that was used in the original movie, but real life and a new job got in the way of completing it at the time. I'll try to get back to that one someday soon.

 

[Christopher]

I still wonder about that interior layout. I don't recall the exterior doors to the company clerk's office being angled outward like that.

What would be wonderful is if someone could track down some surviving set blueprints.

 

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ I've been looking for set blues for years. Nobody seems to know where they are any more. That's long been the problem for series made in the 60's and 70's, and even through the 80's. Once the series is over, they throw a bunch of stuff out that they think nobody would ever be interested in, then when the time inevitably comes that the fandom wants to know about their favorite shows, there's no information to be found and most of the people who actually worked on the show are dead or disappeared off the grid.

Re: The angle, the eaves of the roof of the hospital all square there, but the doors are definitely on a wall that's angled 45 degrees to the 2 main walls. I did a double-take on that one myself when I first starting drawing these things out. I must have watched ever episode at least 5 times over the course of 30 years and I honestly didn't notice that until I started working this project. I'll see if I can find a screen-cap of that...

Update: Cap found, it's at "night time" on the set, but you can clearly see where the company clerk's door is angled 45 degrees out:
http://mashcaps.insanitysandwich.com/3.22/322mashcaps(257).jpg

 

[CTM]

Re: The angle, the eaves of the roof of the hospital all square there, but the doors are definitely on a wall that's angled 45 degrees to the 2 main walls. I did a double-take on that one myself when I first starting drawing these things out. I must have watched ever episode at least 5 times over the course of 30 years and I honestly didn't notice that until I started working this project. I'll see if I can find a screen-cap of that...

I've seen every ep at least that many times myself. Definitely (interiorly) at that angle. Absolutely no question in my mind on that point. I can't say for certain how the Exterior is, without question it is a 45-degree angle (or reasonably close to that) on the interior set.

 

[lawman]

Thanks, Jim/137th!

And you're right, that exterior door is definitely at an angle. I just watched the whole series on DVD last year (it's a great box set — I love being able to turn off the laugh track!), and there's no doubt about it.

It's the interior layout that's really mystifying. I think you're probably right about the flying wall(s), for instance, but still, that interior door just to the left of the entrance to Radar's office was hardly ever seen on camera, and obviously often obstructed, even though it seems like an absolute necessity.

What we're left with is that there's no obvious way to get patients into pre-op — they'd either have to go through Radar's office, or around the entire building (and either route requires a door that's apparently "not there").

Which is why I've often thought that pre-op had to be on the other end of the OR... but that idea has its own problems, unfortunately.

There's this bone in my head that insists there must be some way the exteriors and interiors fit together logically, like it would work "in real life"... even though I know it's probably not so.