Lt. Saavik or Lt. Valeris

But its probably what drove her to it!

 

This is how I feel as well.

 

It wasn't right for the Character of Saavik.
They didn't ever establish that she was half human or half romulan....
There in lies the problem. They would have to added a lot more to TUC in order to make that development work out for THAT plot.

I don't believe in treating the audience as though they've all seen the last movie let alone the last movie with that character. Thus I don't believe it would have had significant character development or shock by having Savvik as the betrayer...It wouldn't have worked.

Saavik was FAR too logical in the last movie...and it made sense. She did a better job than Kirstie Alley. IF they had kept all those deleted scenes with Kirstie Alley's background and her flirting with David...you could pull of this betrayal with Saavik but Robin Curitis' stellar job of strength and stoic impartial-ism she shows in TSFS, you couldn't buy her as the betrayer.

 

Cattrall was fine, but I still wish Saavik had been the traitor. That would have been much more dramatic and unexpected. (Plus, we were never going to see the character again anyway, so why not?)

 

wow, that's harsh. Whatever issues with the TSFS version of Saavik there are are more a reflection of the way the character was written, not Curtis' performance, which I thought was fine.

 

I think I'm in the minority. I liked Robin Curtis's portrayal of the character way more than Alley's. I remember watching TWOK in the theater as a kid and thinking, "What is wrong with this woman?" All the emotional outbursts, the crying at Spock's funeral...from a Vulcan? (this was before I learned about the whole Vulcan/Romulan thing, but still, it wasn't in the movie).

Now as for TUC, I would have much preferred Saavik over Valeris, simply because Valeris was obviously in on the conspiracy. Why else would the character have been in the movie? I remember thinking this from the moment I saw her. However, if it had been Saavik, then everyone would have thought it was just a nice sendoff for the character. I certainly wouldn't have assumed that she was the bad guy.

 

That's not what I heard.
While I didn't hear if it was Robin in particular she was the last person to play the role and I heard he wanted to use Saavik for the role. So even if that means making a new Saavik ala Catrell.

 

That would explain what I heard then.

 

They should have over ruled Roddenberry, and cast someone else if Katrall REALLY didn't want to play Saavik. The role was written as Saavik and should have stayed that way. There are a literally 1000 actresses who would have been thrilled to play Saavik and done a great job.

 

^ Well, overruling Roddenberry, who had virtually no involvement in the films by that point, would be one thing. But overruling your director and trying to force him to cast an actress he didn't want in a major role would be quite a different matter.

 

Agreed.

 

Would have been nice if Cattrall had gotten the job in 82. We would have had a consistent Saavik all the way through.

 

Yeah, that might have been better.

(Although Kirstie Alley was great.)

 

Nope. This kind of thing happens on TV shows all the time. However, it would be nice if the same actor palyed the role throughout.

And I agree with you on Catrall. Of the three actors who played the role (yes, I know Valeris wasn't Saavik in character, but in spirit...), Catrall was my least favorite.

I also forgot to mention that Saavik had way more of a motive than Valeris, seeing as how she was right there when the Klingons killed David Marcus in cold blood.

 

The Sex and the City thing is a problem. Admittedly every time l see Valaris I expect her to lean over and smugly say "and that's when I sucked his c*ck".