I like all 3.Well I like those two.
Lt. Mary Sue on Lower Decks series
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I love Mariner. I’m ambivalent about Burnham. There are far more interesting characters in Disco, IMO.
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I like all the main Discovery characters. What makes Burnham interesting to me is the way she relentlessly pursues classic Federation values without classic Federation tactics. Intensity and loyalty while still calling out the higher ups when normal Federation procedures are a terrible idea.
I like Mariner too, but the reason she's not working as well as she could is she doesn't have somebody on her level to balance her out. She's balanced out by Boimler who is several levels beneath her level. To bring out her merits in the best light she needs someone who is like Boimler but not a moron.
I like Mariner too, but the reason she's not working as well as she could is she doesn't have somebody on her level to balance her out. She's balanced out by Boimler who is several levels beneath her level. To bring out her merits in the best light she needs someone who is like Boimler but not a moron.
From what I saw in episode 3, I was starting to get the impression that Ransom might fill that role. He seems much more on-par with Mariner at different levels than Boimler.
Who knows? If she hadn’t been constantly busted back down to Ensign all the time she might even have been a Commander, herself, by this point. She certainly has the raw experience and expertise for it.
Who knows? If she hadn’t been constantly busted back down to Ensign all the time she might even have been a Commander, herself, by this point. She certainly has the raw experience and expertise for it.
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I think the point of Mariner and Boimler is that they are rather extreme. And I think they will balance each other out and have had small moments of doing so. But 3 episodes in isn't going to be perfect.
I think Burnham and Chris Pine's Kirk are both Mary Sues myself. Perfect at everything all the time even when they are wrong they turn out to be right. It's poor writing and characterisation, Luke Skywalker falls into this category as well.
Which is why I see them fail or make mistakes? O_o Because all three of those characters do exactly that.
Really not being a "Mary Sue", it is called being the star of the show/movie. If you were to examine Star Trek with a fine tooth comb (and a lot of other TV shows/movies), you'd find that the stars save the day and get away with murder more often than not.
I think that's called being a lead character. Poor writing doesn't make a character a Mary Sue.
So, why exactly NO ONE ever called Connery's Bond a "Mary Sue"?
By the way, any respectable source out there says that a Mary Sue is "an author's idealized or flawless self-insertion". So, if can't name the authors Mariner or Burnham are the self-insertion of (having the proof), well, sorry, they aren't Mary Sues. By definition.
By the way, any respectable source out there says that a Mary Sue is "an author's idealized or flawless self-insertion". So, if can't name the authors Mariner or Burnham are the self-insertion of (having the proof), well, sorry, they aren't Mary Sues. By definition.
Our favorite characters can't be "Mary Sue's", because we're all smart enough to recognize a Mary Sue and would never be fans of them.
It's like in Transformers, Optimus Prime can't stop Megatron but Shia LaBouef can...
What does the label matter?
Are they flawless or hyper competent? If yes then meh, not very compelling.
Or the ship of 400 Vulcans that can't figure anything out and die, then Kirk and Spock save the universe. See: "The Immunity Syndrome"
Except in the first film
That would be the first film where Labouef defeats Megatron by ramming the Allspark in his chest after Megatron has beaten Prime in a scrap?
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