• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Lower Decks renewed for season 3

It does. Picard does not seem to recognize her (or, rather, claims that she seems familiar, due to memories of his future experiences seeping in). This is a direct continuity error with Legacy.

While I assume that All Good Things is 99% illusion forced unto Picard by Q, the events of Anti-Time Past Picard should reflect history at least at that early point where Yar and Picard "meet". It's conceivable that Yar never met Picard, with him simply learning of her rescue mission while on his ship and making the recommendation to her Captain sight unseen based on her commendations and reported bravery.

Picard not recognizing Yar could in fact be his irumodic syndrome seeping in, effecting his memory of events across the timelines even in the early jumps. He was still adjusting when he said she looked familiar.

He said she looked familiar because he couldn't tell the truth that he knew her from future events.
 
It does. Picard does not seem to recognize her (or, rather, claims that she seems familiar, due to memories of his future experiences seeping in). This is a direct continuity error with Legacy.
Perhaps he was confused due to the time traveling.

It could be that he saw her from a distance and never talked to her until they met in that shuttle pod.
works for me!
 
He said she looked familiar because he couldn't tell the truth that he knew her from future events.

Perhaps. I think it's a matter of opinion. Based on the episode, this is just a couple scenes after (Present) Picard says that the memories are like a dream and are fading fast. He adjusts better as the episode continues, but my opinion is that (Past) Picard only vaguely recalled the "dream" of his life in 2370 and ~2395 and it was fading, and the episode was telling us that he shouldn't recognize Tasha (which is likely a continuity error with Legacy), and the recognition only comes from what he might perceive as an unclear dream.

By the time he is talking with Data and O'Brien and Troi on how well he trusts them (even though he "doesn't know them"), he is better adjusted to the time and place and recalls more clearly that he is traveling through time and these are his old crew, but that he cannot let them on to his time travel in this specific time because they didn't know him well enough (unlike in 2370 and ~2395).
 
I think that the biggest problem I have with "All Good Things..." is that the crew from the past follows blindly Picard to a situation that means their death and in a previous episode faux Picard tried to get them into a dangerous situation and they rebelled. So that seems inconsistent to me because if they refused then why not now? They don't know Picard at all, for all they know, he could just be crazy, and yet this new Captain that keeps giving them orders that make no sense, talking to entities that are not there (When he tries to talk to Q and Q doesn't respond), they're willing to follow to their certain death because he tells them that he knows what he's doing but can't tell them what it is!!!

I am sorry but I have a little problem buying that.
 
The season 1 TNG gang don't know Picard, they just know that he's a Starfleet legend and that defying him could have negative consequences on their careers. The season 3 TNG gang in Allegiance knew Picard and were able to recognize that his recent behavior was very out of character for him, and that combined with the apparent death sentence he's leading him towards means something is very wrong.

Or you could blame it on Riker. In Allegiance it was Riker who decided enough was enough and mutinied against Fake Picard. Riker wasn't there in the season 1 portions of AGT, meaning there was no one willing to step forward and say "No! This'll kill us."
 
The season 1 TNG gang don't know Picard, they just know that he's a Starfleet legend and that defying him could have negative consequences on their careers. The season 3 TNG gang in Allegiance knew Picard and were able to recognize that his recent behavior was very out of character for him, and that combined with the apparent death sentence he's leading him towards means something is very wrong.

Or you could blame it on Riker. In Allegiance it was Riker who decided enough was enough and mutinied against Fake Picard. Riker wasn't there in the season 1 portions of AGT, meaning there was no one willing to step forward and say "No! This'll kill us."

Legend!!! He only had captained ONE ship and not an impressive one at that. He himself said later that it was falling apart at the seams. And LOST IT, to a Ferengi, and he was court-martialed for it and didn't get another ship for NINE YEARS!!! Some legend.
 
Unless he did something else we don’t know in those nine years. I don’t think that they give the admiral of the federation to anybody, nor that the romulans bother cloning every Starfeet captain.
 
Unless he did something else we don’t know in those nine years. I don’t think that they give the admiral of the federation to anybody, nor that the romulans bother cloning every Starfeet captain.

Well, the Cardassians created a convoluted trap just to get him, while we know that there is nothing that he could have told them that could have been in any way useful. Or did they just do all that to hear him say "Five lights"? Ridiculous.
 
We know, they didn’t. At least at the beginning, then his torturer started to feel personal about wanting to break him.
 
But as Jellico said anything that Picard would have known would have been changed so that makes that whole interrogation completely pointless!
the cardassians were under the impression that the Enterprise would have been the lead ship in case they attacked and that Picard would have already worked on the defense plans. While the first bit of info was correct, Picard actually knew nothing of any plan to protect the area from a Cardassian invasion, so yes, the interrogation was mostly pointless, but we were made privy of this detail by Jellico and the Enterprise crew, the torturers couldn’t have known.

At a certain point I’m sure that the interrogator realized Picard didn’t know what he was looking for, but by then he was too engrossed in his own personal crusade to break him to care.
 
Legend!!! He only had captained ONE ship and not an impressive one at that.
And yet, his missions on that ship made him a celebrity and Cadets at the Academy were required to read all about the Stargazer missions. Not to mention the battle where the ship was lost he engaged in a battle maneuver which ended up named after him.
he was court-martialed for it
Standard procedure, apparently.
didn't get another ship for NINE YEARS!!! Some legend.
We don't know what went on in those nine years. Obviously there was something that impressed the higher ups if they decided to make him the Captain of the Flagship. Consider that, command of the Galaxy class ships went to Starfleet's top Captains, and he got the most prestigious of the line. Such a command wouldn't go to anyone other than a legend.
 
...
We don't know what went on in those nine years. Obviously there was something that impressed the higher ups if they decided to make him the Captain of the Flagship. Consider that, command of the Galaxy class ships went to Starfleet's top Captains, and he got the most prestigious of the line. Such a command wouldn't go to anyone other than a legend.

Still, I don't buy that the crew would follow a Captain that they don't know at all (legend or no legend) to certain death because he assures them that it serves a higher purpose of which he can tell them NOTHING.
 
In what way?
One, he would be privied to higher profile operations than most captains. Two, he would have a working knowledge of Federation defenses, plans for attack and Starfleet strategies. Given recent conflicts with the Cardassians it would be expected Picard's knowledge would include strategies to confront the Cardassians. To the Cardassians, the captain of a flagship would be valuable. Whether or not he definitely has the knowledge is not the point-it is what they expect. Picard isn't a run of the mill captain.

Still, I don't buy that the crew would follow a Captain that they don't know at all (legend or no legend) to certain death because he assures them that it serves a higher purpose of which he can tell them NOTHING.
So the answer is mutiny?
 
Just as they mutinied against Admiral Pressman when he tried to take command of the ship. If they can mutiny against an Admiral who's not trying to get them to die, then why not against a Captain who is trying to get them to die?
That was considered so far out of the normal that the crew who did mutiny were considered completely out of line at the time. There is no way that Riker would do so again at the time. Mutiny on a starship was nearly unthinkable.
 
That was considered so far out of the normal that the crew who did mutiny were considered completely out of line at the time. There is no way that Riker would do so again at the time. Mutiny on a starship was nearly unthinkable.

No, you don't get it. When Pressman tried to take command of the Enterprise, the bridge crew refused to follow his orders.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top