Lost scene from Wrath of Khan..

[srombomb]

My brother got his hands on an old starlog magazine from around the time Star Trek II came out. On top of reading about how much FUN the entire cast expressed in filming this movie, there was apparently a lost scene in which Khan and his followers take over the bridge of the Reliant, and it had explosions as well.

My brother is not a liar, and he told me about this last night after he read the issue of starlog. Why the hell wasn't this ever mentioned before?!?

Has anyone heard about this??

 

[Grant]

Total bull-shit.

Never scripted, never filmed.

If you've ever bothered to read the novel or the script you can see using the eels Khan tricked his way onboard. There WAS a cut scene of Terrell---under eel influence---calling Reliant for pick-up. There was also a scene shot where Khan is revealed as being on-board and gloating how Kirk had let him read the Ent tech manuals and that Reliant was similar. Meyer, in editing, choose to use the pullback of Chekov/Khan after Chekov calls regula, as the reveal that Khan has taken over.

Claiming "I'm not a liar" or "So & so is not a liar" is no kind of proof that something exists.

 

[srombomb]

Wow your a real piece of work.

I tried elating that hearing something of this scene from someone like a family member who I trust implicitly is good enough reason for what I posted to not be considered just gum flapping.

I was extremely excited to hear about this piece of old news from my brother when he told me about it.

Are you really that tightly wound into this trek forum stuff that your willing to jump on and call bullshit in such a defensive manner?

Seriously as the Shat says GET A LIFE!!!! Was just trying to report on something I found extremely cool and rare.

Better yet Fuck off. It's people like you that make Star Trek so uncool in the eyes of others.

This will be my last post. I hope those like you learn to back off of casual fans like myself.

 

[DimesDan]

Wow your a real piece of work.

I tried elating that hearing something of this scene from someone like a family member who I trust implicitly is good enough reason for what I posted to not be considered just gum flapping.

I was extremely excited to hear about this piece of old news from my brother when he told me about it.

Are you really that tightly wound into this trek forum stuff that your willing to jump on and call bullshit in such a defensive manner?

Seriously as the Shat says GET A LIFE!!!! Was just trying to report on something I found extremely cool and rare.

Better yet Fuck off. It's people like you that make Star Trek so uncool in the eyes of others.

This will be my last post. I hope those like you learn to back off of casual fans like myself.

What a silly little person you are, that was a massive over reaction to in my eyes a reasonable response to your OP.

As for brothers not lying to each other, I'm now on the floor laughing my arse off.

 

[Bacl]

Claiming "I'm not a liar" or "So & so is not a liar" is no kind of proof that something exists.

This line should be repeated often.

 

[Joker]

What a silly little person you are, that was a massive over reaction to in my eyes a reasonable response to your OP.

As for brothers not lying to each other, I'm now on the floor laughing my arse off.

It was an overreaction, but Grant spoke to him like a dickhead, and deserved to be responded to in kind.

"If he had bothered to read the novel or the script.."

Yeah, people should read the script and novel before bothering Grant's private forum with it, taking up his immensely important time. Nothing fucking stupid about that at all.

End of rant. I'll stick my warning on the fridge.

 

[Anticitizen]

This will be my last post. I hope those like you learn to back off of casual fans like myself.

srombomb, don't go on account of him. The Internet has a tendency to turn people into dickheads.

Perhaps you can manage to get the copy of Starlog? It's possible that the scene you're talking about was something that was talked about but never scripted (insert the Riker Eye directed to Grant here).

 

[Grant]

I am just really getting tired of people---without a shred of evidence saying---"I once saw a scene from...' and expecting that since no can for sure, 100% disprove it, execting it won't be challenged.


The missing scenes from the trek movies have been catalogued for as many years since the various movies have come out.

The novels had virtually all the cut scenes (and sometimes some not part of the scripts)
Most of the early Trek movies also had comic adaptations and and some had 'Maing of' books that chronicled the cut scenes.

The Trek 2 Making of book listed all the cut scenes. What it said matched the script as far as that goes.
Along with the common sense reality that TWOK was a very tightly budgeted affair and they sure weren't filming action scenes with 'explosions' and then just going--"You know what? We don't need that."

It's ridiculous.

your over-reaction to me indicates you deep-down know this is just about starting a thread with some phony story and hoping for specualtion---not someone who really thinks this nonsense actually exists.

'Total bull-shit' referred to the validity of the sequence being real not you brother's honesty.
The statement about, "I'm not a liar' doesn't mean I think you are a liar---it means that you shouldn't use that line as a reason for your story not to be questioned.

It's like because you say that, were expected to not dispute your claim but rather go about searching for this nonsense fantasy scene.
I can assure that not gonna happen. There are loads of folks who know the scripts to these movies backward and forward.

I'm not a dickhead for speaking plainly about something. He shouldn't need to be coddled and his ridiculous, "I'm leaving here forever" line is proof 'the lady doth protest too much'

 

[number6]

There was also a deleted scene involving make-up sex between Kirk and Marcus(David, that is....)

It's all true. If you don't believe me you can all suck Marlon Brando's ass!!!!

 

[Grant]

I just realized something.........

I re-read the OP. It's really funny how the post contains this brief concise statement about the incident with the magazine and the scene description and then

feels the nedd to have a separate paragraph stating "My brother is not a liar..."

It's kind of funny he felt the need to add that paragraph. i mean if I was asking some other fans about a scene I heard existed but never saw---why would I feel the need to claim---"I'm not lying about this" ??

That would be the last thing I would put at the end of an opening post. I now realize that paragraph is what made me go into specifics about labeling it a bogus argument. It like someone telling a far-out story and then at the end saying, "I'm not luing about this!"

Well if you need to add that at the end---maybe you are.

 

[Grant]

There was also a deleted scene involving make-up sex between Kirk and Marcus(David, that is....)

It's all true. If you don't believe me you can all suck Marlon Brando's ass!!!!

That scene existed but the anchient video equipment Shatner hid in the bookshelf malfunctioned and it was lost to his collection forever! He should have used Bob Cranes video buddy for more reliable outcomes.

Most of the rest of the videos of such 'scenes' were destroyed by his second wife Marcy Lafferty when she brook into his private study.

 

[Grant]

Please come back---we need you!!

 

[Anticitizen]

I am just really getting tired of people---without a shred of evidence saying---"I once saw a scene from...' and expecting that since no can for sure, 100% disprove it, execting it won't be challenged.

OP's post didn't read like that at all. He ASKED a question. He didn't make a definitive claim. And, given how the information is secondhand, it's possible that the information is accurate but refers to a scene that was never scripted or filmed. In fact, he doesn't make the claim that it was filmed.

God knows the script changed quite a bit throughout the drafting process:

http://www.ottens.co.uk/forgottentrek/tmp_8.php

Here's an article that highlights only some of the many changes that went through the incarnations of the script (including some that don't even have Khan in them).

It's kind of funny he felt the need to add that paragraph. i mean if I was asking some other fans about a scene I heard existed but never saw---why would I feel the need to claim---"I'm not lying about this" ??

That would be the last thing I would put at the end of an opening post. I now realize that paragraph is what made me go into specifics about labeling it a bogus argument. It like someone telling a far-out story and then at the end saying, "I'm not luing about this!"

Well if you need to add that at the end---maybe you are.

You're a bit paranoid, aren't you? There's no reason to think that he's lying. The information could be wrong, but that doesn't mean he's lying about the information.

 

[number6]

There was also a deleted scene involving make-up sex between Kirk and Marcus(David, that is....)

It's all true. If you don't believe me you can all suck Marlon Brando's ass!!!!

That scene existed but the anchient video equipment Shatner hid in the bookshelf malfunctioned and it was lost to his collection forever! He should have used Bob Cranes video buddy for more reliable outcomes.

Most of the rest of the videos of such 'scenes' were destroyed by his second wife Marcy Lafferty when she brook into his private study.

Carpy Sez: Don't Touch!!

 

[Grant]

He DID NOT 'ask a question'

He declared it was a 'real thing' by virue of his 'brother's honesty' and asked if anyone else knew about it.

As if it was a fact and did anyone else know this fact.

There was not one bit of, "Is this real. Could it be true"

No, it was stated as fact and invited commentary.

Are you his lawyer by the way?
You don't have to be paranoid to mistrust someone who says "I'm not lying' long before any questions his honesty.
It was clearly a pre-emptive attempt to deter people from denying the stories truth.

Not gonna happen.

 

[Grant]

QUOTE
"My brother is not a liar, and he told me about this last night after he read the issue of starlog. Why the hell wasn't this ever mentioned before?!?"


Where is ANY room to dispute the statement when it is put like this?

This is a declaration and a demand to know why the fact hasn't been mentioned before.

 

[DimesDan]

Grant, anychance you could either learn to multi quote or edit your post's once you've thought of something new?

 

[Anticitizen]

QUOTE
"My brother is not a liar, and he told me about this last night after he read the issue of starlog. Why the hell wasn't this ever mentioned before?!?"


Where is ANY room to dispute the statement when it is put like this?

This is a declaration and a demand to know why the fact hasn't been mentioned before.

Again, it's entirely possible that an article in Starlog REALLY DID DESCRIBE a proposed sequence that didn't make it into final drafts (the novelization has fuck-all to do with it). In this case, nobody would be a liar. You're jumping to conclusions and being an ass to strangers with no justification.

 

[Maurice]

As has come up again and again, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

A couple of things, though.

First, while it's possibly Starlog or some other magazine reported on a scene of Khan's crew on the bridge with stunts and explosions...someone could simply have mistakenly related scenes of the Reliant being hit by the Enterprise as part of the takeover. Movies are shot in fragments, and it's easy to misunderstand a shot if you don't know the context.

Second, I've read several drafts of the script and I've never seen this even depicted, and I've never heard of it being filmed, so that makes me think it's more likely a mistaken recollection than anything.

So to "lying", some people swear up and down they saw the 3rd Klingon battlecruiser get toasted in TMP when it first came out, but that's a misrememberance. Doesn't mean it's a "lie".

 

[trevanian]

Starlog DID have this mentioned in an article, and I believe Mike Minor was the source. I know this, I have bought the issue at least a couple times down through the years. I'm pretty sure it has a 2pg pic of Kirk & Spock at damage control on its first page, but beyond that I'm not sure (I cut up a couple copies of the mag to illustrate a book proposal, so I don't have any copy at all anymore.)

The description was about certain sections of the bridge being dressed with paper and decals over balsa wood so they would blow up nicely as Khan took over the bridge. It MAY be that they did it for a scene we haven't seen (such as what the article and OP mention), but they definitely did this for the hits during 'kirk's explosive reply' and in the nebula.

The overreaction to the OP was seriously out of line IMO, especially given that it is in a mag everybody has had access to and probably a bunch of you could easily confirm this by digging out your archives.

This might fall into the category like the scenes of Joachim and Khan on CetiAlpha ... Scott SAYS they filmed them, but nobody has seen script pages or bts pics of them filming them, so it is kinda hard to call.

EDIT ADDON: article is probably called THE REMAKING OF STAR TREK (I think it was a two-parter in successive issues.) I'm also pretty sure I've posted on this issue at least a couple times in the last 10 years here, so it isn't totally unknown.