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They've already said that they're condensing the timeline, so his death will probably a lot closer to the forging of the rings than it was in the books.
New trailer looks great!
Some quick thoughts:
I enjoyed seeing more of the Stranger character revealed (I’m thinking he’s an Istari, rather than Sauron). Power includes summoning wind (scene with birch trees branches moving in swirling airflows).
Also interesting) to see (albeit brief) what appears to be the character of ‘Oren’ facing away from the camera, turning towards a gathering of ‘creatures / people’ holding torches, in an forestry setting… and to date, we’ve seen either little or nothing of this character, except for a side profile, dark-lit pic of a long-haired / high elven-esque figure holding an ornate sword - EDIT: found pic, see below:
Bridie Sissions’ Cultist character (white hooded robe, short-cropped hair) is holding an interestingly ornate staff, and has lots of charms / symbols around her neck.
Ar-Pharazon standing at the back on the chamber ominously while the Queen Regent speaks is a nice shot.
Overall - I cannot contain how much I’m looking forward to this!
Some quick thoughts:
I enjoyed seeing more of the Stranger character revealed (I’m thinking he’s an Istari, rather than Sauron). Power includes summoning wind (scene with birch trees branches moving in swirling airflows).
Also interesting) to see (albeit brief) what appears to be the character of ‘Oren’ facing away from the camera, turning towards a gathering of ‘creatures / people’ holding torches, in an forestry setting… and to date, we’ve seen either little or nothing of this character, except for a side profile, dark-lit pic of a long-haired / high elven-esque figure holding an ornate sword - EDIT: found pic, see below:
Bridie Sissions’ Cultist character (white hooded robe, short-cropped hair) is holding an interestingly ornate staff, and has lots of charms / symbols around her neck.
Ar-Pharazon standing at the back on the chamber ominously while the Queen Regent speaks is a nice shot.
Overall - I cannot contain how much I’m looking forward to this!
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They may not be able to return to Middle Earth proper, but remain in Valinor.
Not if they were exiled. The exception was Finrod. I'm not sure what happened to the souls of elves barred from returning to Valinor. I'm not sure if the dead elf shown is he though as he seems to fall in a massed battle rather than saving Beren. I think Galadriel had two other brothers but I don't recall what became of them. If meteor guy is an Istari, he's roughly 4,000 years too early.
The main theme of Tolkien's legendarium is the dichotomy between death and deathlessness, which I suspect this adaptation will largely ignore or trivialise.
The main theme of Tolkien's legendarium is the dichotomy between death and deathlessness, which I suspect this adaptation will largely ignore or trivialise.
Yeah, those clips were given off major wizard vibes. Even if it does go against the books, I would be shocked if they didn't find a way to work at least one wizard into the show. Wizards are a popular part of the books and movies, so it would make sense for them to squeeze one into the show somehow.
Could just be a Maiar, not an Istari.
@Asbo Zaprudder Yeah, I realise strictly-speaking the Istari don’t appear until the third age - but I’m leaning towards either Istari or Maia - as @fireproof78 suggested.
Either-way, I don’t believe it’s Sauron…
Either-way, I don’t believe it’s Sauron…
Two Istari arrive in the Second Age, depending on which version of the story you go with. The version where that happens was the most recent one Tolkien came up with.
I personally think he'll be one of those two because they won't be able to resist adding a Wizard, since it's another familiar element from the movies, just like their proto-Hobbits.
I personally think he'll be one of those two because they won't be able to resist adding a Wizard, since it's another familiar element from the movies, just like their proto-Hobbits.
Ah, yes, the two blue wizards whose names I forget. Actually, I wouldn't mind if meteor guy was any one of the five but one of those two isn't a big deal.*
The main concerns for me are the nature of Galadriel's relationship with Halbrand, who he really is, where are Celeborn and Celebrian, and the amount by which the Second Age is time compressed. I would also prefer that the nature of Finrod's death (if that is inded him in the new trailer) be consistent with The Silmarillion but we'll have to wait and see.
*Looked it up: their names were either "Alatar" and "Pallando" or "Morinehtar" and "Rómestámo". According to "The Peoples of Middle-earth" (book 12 of "The History of Middle-earth"), the five Istari arrived in Middle-earth around the year SA 1,600 - coinciding with the time of the forging of the One Ring - not in TA 1,000. It's not a book that I've read and I would expect the showrunners would have had to ask permission to use information from it.
The main concerns for me are the nature of Galadriel's relationship with Halbrand, who he really is, where are Celeborn and Celebrian, and the amount by which the Second Age is time compressed. I would also prefer that the nature of Finrod's death (if that is inded him in the new trailer) be consistent with The Silmarillion but we'll have to wait and see.
*Looked it up: their names were either "Alatar" and "Pallando" or "Morinehtar" and "Rómestámo". According to "The Peoples of Middle-earth" (book 12 of "The History of Middle-earth"), the five Istari arrived in Middle-earth around the year SA 1,600 - coinciding with the time of the forging of the One Ring - not in TA 1,000. It's not a book that I've read and I would expect the showrunners would have had to ask permission to use information from it.
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Technically speaking, the Istari were Maiar. Istari can be seen more like a job title in this case- the 5 sent to middle earth specifically to combat the power of Sauron.
Yes, that's my point.
Bantam reprinted Asimov's I, Robot with a movie tie-in cover that features Will Smith's Del Spooner, a character that will not be found in the book.
I know the new LOTR tie-in covers have nothing to do with the contents of the book. Yet, I think they're pretty stylish, and I'm going back and forth about adding new editions of the books to my collection. I don't need them, but they do have the 60th-anniversary text corrections.
Bantam reprinted Asimov's I, Robot with a movie tie-in cover that features Will Smith's Del Spooner, a character that will not be found in the book.
I know the new LOTR tie-in covers have nothing to do with the contents of the book. Yet, I think they're pretty stylish, and I'm going back and forth about adding new editions of the books to my collection. I don't need them, but they do have the 60th-anniversary text corrections.
I had a copy of I Am Legend with Will Smith on the cover. This makes me wonder if there are any other Will Smith covered books to add to a collection
There are definitely some nice looking editions of LOTR out there. But I have too much stuff to justify rebuying books I already own, so I'm fine with my admittedly kind of boring movie screenshot cover LOTR trilogy. I mean, my copy of Dune also has a movie tie in cover (from the old Lynch movie), so I'm used to having famous books with movie based covers. I think even my big book with all the Chronicles of Narnia in one volume has the Live action CGI Aslan as its cover.
What was different. I can't really remember the book version ?
The only change I remember not liking was the undead army. I could have read it wrong but I thought they were more like physical undead bodies that had to fight and not this killer wave.
Bantam reprinted Asimov's I, Robot with a movie tie-in cover that features Will Smith's Del Spooner, a character that will not be found in the book.
D'oh!
They were to be silent. That was their power was a complete sense of dread by their silence in their presence. There was an adaptation done, can't remember by whom, and they asked for Tolkien's review. And, in the adaptation they made noise which Tolkien noted was not right.
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