Spoilers Lord of the Rings TV series

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  1. Set Harth

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    I'm not sure what this means. They put out an edition of the book that had movie imagery on the cover, but it was the same book.
     
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  2. JD

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    I'm not sure if it counts since I believe the books were just based on the characters rather than specific books, but they did do novelizations of the Jason Momoa Conan: The Barbarian, and the Solomon Kane movies. They also released a book that contain both an adaptation of the John Carter (of Mars) movie and the original Princess of Mars novel.
     
  3. Asbo Zaprudder

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    There was a children's colouring book published based on Lynch's Dune - I kid you not. "Which shade of puce should I use for the Baron's pustules, Mummy?" I don't think there was a novelisation. There might have have been a comicbook but I never saw it.
     
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  4. Kai "the spy"

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    They did novellizations for the Schwarzenegger Conans, as well. And, unfortunately, that's a singular Solomon Kane movie, as it bombed at the box office and plans for sequels were scrapped.

    But, as we're listing prose-to-movie adaptations that got their own novelizations, The Spy Who Loved Me and Moonraker got those, as they were so different from the novels they were based on. 1994's The Shadow is another case of a set of characters being adapted, rather than particular stories, and thus justifying a novelization.

    One might also note the number of comic book movies that got their own tie-in comic book adaptations.
     
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  5. Disposable_Ensign

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    Gee, and they haven't alienated any Tolkien fans already. They know Tolkien fans will continue to buy Tolkien books, so my guess is they'd aim it at unsuspecting Tolkien newcomers or people not already invested.
    The Dune Storybook
     
  6. fireproof78

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    Fans being alienated is such a bizarre concept as a response to an adaptation. My wife loves the Hobbit book, but is lukewarm on the films, especially Legolas. It doesn't stop our enjoyment of the world.

    I get being invested but damn it feels like looking to be offended.
     
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    Even on Amazon Canada for sales within Canada, it shows as currently unavailable. It probably had to be pulled because in 2020 Canada agreed to extend copyright protection from 50 to 70 years in a trade deal with the US and Mexico, with implementation going through 2022.

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  8. Relayer1

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    Damn !

    Thanks for the info though.
     
  9. Set Harth

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    I forgot about the Storybook!
     
  10. saddestmoon

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    While we are sharing… this is the cover of my parents copy:

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    And here is the full wrap around, if a slightly later version:

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  11. Asbo Zaprudder

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    Yes, that's the single-volume paperback edition I had in the 70s. It fell apart so I now have a hardcover edition.

    The strongest opposition to the new series seems to concern the depiction of warrior Galadriel. I think such a depiction is fine (if not really canonical with respect to the books that the showrunners don't have the rights to adapt) provided that she goes on a journey that leads to her rejecting direct physical violence whenever possible and developing her abilities as a sorceress - possibly aided by her acquisition of the ring Nenya, which conferred the power of preservation and concealment from evil.

    We really need to see some depiction of the events of the rebellion of the Ñoldor and the flight from Valinor, crossing from Aman to Middle-earth via the Helcaraxë. I don't know if that is covered by the agreement with the Tolkien estate. If Galadriel did take part in the Kinslaying by Fëanor and his Ñoldor kin of the Teleri at Alqualondë, a dramatisation of that perhaps could be included. According to The Silmarillion, Galadriel was a leader in the flight from Valinor. This account differs in several respects from that in the Unfinished Tales. I think there is wiggle room for portraying her as a vainglorious military leader - provided that she eventually atones for her hubris.
     
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  12. saddestmoon

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    Lots of new stills, articles, promos starting to pop up, and a new TIME article below:
    https://time.com/6205837/the-rings-of-power-amazon-most-expensive/

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    Also, below spoiler for a not-yet revealed fan-favourite character - to premiere in Season 2:

    Edit: apologies - didn’t realise the characters name was in the url, so have spoiler-coded the entire link below:


    And Red-Carpet premiere of the series:
    https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2022/08/16/114379-red-carpet-premiere-of-rings-of-power/

    Edit: Rather superficially, I must observe, they are all indeed a gorgeous cast!
     
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  13. Ragitsu

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    Horrifying.
     
  14. kirk55555

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    The link you posted has the character's name in the URL, fyi (thats why I edited it out of my quote).

    Anyway, can a character be a "fan favorite" when the majority of people who read the original books, and probably 99% of the people who watched the movies, have never heard of them? They can be a favorite of the specific fans who read stuff like the Silmarillion and the other extended stuff, but thats not the same as being a fan favorite in the way, say, Gandalf is.

    Then again, maybe having two brief, silent cameos in the movies really lead to a big fan base for that character :lol:
     
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  15. Nerys Myk

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    Those costumes suck. ;)
     
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  16. The Nth Doctor

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    I'll grant you film-only fans but do you really think the majority of the people who've read original novels don't know who Círdan is? Really? :lol:

    As someone who is obsessed over the Rings in general, of course I knew who Círdan is and I know I cannot be the only person who does for the same reasons.

    Also, I think you're seriously underestimating the nature of fandom in general.
     
  17. JD

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    Oh yeah, I know there was only one, I didn't mean to hit the s. It's a shame we never got any more, I thought the movie was pretty good.
    Well the kind of fans who've been alienated already are either a) racist and seixst assholes who can't handle the fact that they're including non-white actors and focusing on women or b) such hard core purists that they never would have been happy with anything they did. The first group can just fuck the hell off, and it's not worth trying to please the second, because it's pretty much impossible.
     
  18. saddestmoon

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    Whoops! Thanks for the heads-up - I’ve spoiler coded the link, with added context. Completely missed that it was embedded on the URL.

    Re: fan-favourite, definitely for readers of the broader lore, and admittedly prolly not for those who haven’t read the literature.

    I must say, I’m prolly more excited about seeing
    Celeborn
    appear - as they are ultimately fairly entwined with a certain lead character of the series…
     
  19. Asbo Zaprudder

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    I haven't read the books in years and I was never a true fan but I remember much of the lore, albeit patchily.

    Círdan has to be in this series. He was the second bearer of the ring Narya after Gil-galad entrusted it to him before his death. In turn, Círdan entrusted it to Gandalf in the Third Age around TA 1,000. I believe we saw Círdan, Galadriel and Elrond as the three bearers of the Elven rings - Narya the Ring of Fire, Nenya the Ring of Water and Vilya the Ring of Air, respectively - in the prologue to Peter Jackson's The Fellowship of the Ring. Gil-galad was the original bearer of both Narya and Vilya. Only Galdriel ever wore Nenya. IIRC, these three rings are all supposed to be invisible when worn except to the bearer of the One Ring.

    I don't consider any of this a spoiler as the books have been available to read for decades.
     
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  20. kirk55555

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    The vast majority of people who read the books only read The Hobbit and the Trilogy. The Silmarillion and other extended works are niche, terribly written (because they were never meant to be released in the form they were by Tolkien's Estate), and mostly just dry BS even when the stories have been translated into readable summaries.

    I read all four of the main LOTR books in late elementary school/early middle school, and have probably reread them a half dozen times (if not more) since then. I love the books, but if you put a gun to my head and asked me who that guy is, I'd be dead.

    Of course there are obsessive fans who read everything, but the majority of people that have read the books have only read the main four. The Silmarillion, Unfinished Tales, etc are not popular among book readers in general, they have a niche audience even among people that like the LOTR books. This doesn't make them bad necessarily (although I think its all absolute junk, a bunch of esoteric, impossible to read text that Tolkien almost certainly never meant the public to see in the form its in), but I'd bet that 90% of people who tried to read The Silmarillion never got close to finishing it.

    Most Tolkien fans that know of that guy probably read it on a wiki, after failing to read stuff like the Silmarillion and similar work but wanting to get the little bits of info hidden in that general bullshit (or after seeing his cameos in the films and googling who he is). Even then, he's not even the "star" of any specific story thing from what I can find online, just a supporting character. So he's a small supporting character in an extremely niche side of the LOTR fandom, definitely not a "fan favorite" in the way most people mean.