Looking for screen cap TMP warp effect

[Maurice]

Might want to compare the d orbit veridian shot (consciously designed as an homage to the original series by Bill George) with the e orbit earth shots, which are pretty bright. They have that awful noclouds earth in FC, and that messes with the credibility as well.

This ship has a much lighter color, the light sources come from different directions, the difference isn't that big.

The difference is HUGE! Look at the planets: from the highlight on the Earth you can see that the sun should be above the frame, and the underside of the ship should be in a lot more shadow than it is.

 

[ST-One]

Might want to compare the d orbit veridian shot (consciously designed as an homage to the original series by Bill George) with the e orbit earth shots, which are pretty bright. They have that awful noclouds earth in FC, and that messes with the credibility as well.

This ship has a much lighter color, the light sources come from different directions, the difference isn't that big.

The difference is HUGE! Look at the planets: from the highlight on the Earth you can see that the sun should be above the frame, and the underside of the ship should be in a lot more shadow than it is.

True.
But this and the EVA-scene later are the only ones (except for the initial fly-by during the Borg-battle) are the only one that show the Enterprise to brightly lit.
Partly it could be explained by the white paint-job on the Enterprise-E.

 

[trevanian]

BTW:
Here is another example of a close-up model having different details and shapes than the actual hero-model:

Close-up:

Hero-model:

It is even more confusing than that ... my understanding from Knoll and the fx dp (Sweeny? Rosenberg? don't recall) is that they only had the big model, that the only scaled up stuff they had were a couple of those cigar hull sensor dish thingies that get jettisoned and blow up.

For the shots you post, they shot the 10 ft model from something like a 1/4 inch away, and then for at least one of them, they added cg geometry matchmoved onto or over the miniature to give more scale. Maybe they didn't figure people would be comparing shots a decade later (silly them!)

 

[S'kai]

I have much enjoyed this discussion.

What triggered it was my request for a screen cap. I wanted it to show my graphics guy the effect I wanted.

http://www.willieyee.info/Showcard009Web.jpg

 

[Maurice]

^^^WTF?!

Show some consideration and scale that thing down!

Sheesh...

 

[ST-One]

BTW:
Here is another example of a close-up model having different details and shapes than the actual hero-model:

Close-up:

Hero-model:

It is even more confusing than that ... my understanding from Knoll and the fx dp (Sweeny? Rosenberg? don't recall) is that they only had the big model, that the only scaled up stuff they had were a couple of those cigar hull sensor dish thingies that get jettisoned and blow up.

For the shots you post, they shot the 10 ft model from something like a 1/4 inch away, and then for at least one of them, they added cg geometry matchmoved onto or over the miniature to give more scale. Maybe they didn't figure people would be comparing shots a decade later (silly them!)

I couldn't tell that it was CG. They made very good use of it in these shots

BTW: I posted this in another thread here, but ... what do you think about this one:


http://www.scifi-meshes.com/forums/3d-gallery/47076-tng-caps.html

 

[trevanian]

That's tremendous. I may have to sign up there, just to see more of the work!

 

[Data Holmes]

That's tremendous. I may have to sign up there, just to see more of the work!

I saw them when he posted them over at Scifi Meshes... There is amazing work coming out from the posters over there. Amazing work...

 

[David cgc]

It is even more confusing than that ... my understanding from Knoll and the fx dp (Sweeny? Rosenberg? don't recall) is that they only had the big model, that the only scaled up stuff they had were a couple of those cigar hull sensor dish thingies that get jettisoned and blow up.

For the shots you post, they shot the 10 ft model from something like a 1/4 inch away, and then for at least one of them, they added cg geometry matchmoved onto or over the miniature to give more scale. Maybe they didn't figure people would be comparing shots a decade later (silly them!)

One of the ships of the line calendars had what must have been the un-CGIed version of the 10 foot model shot. I remember being extremely surprised when I noticed brush strokes in the paint on the thruster/sensor thingy in the lower right corner.

 

[trevanian]

It is even more confusing than that ... my understanding from Knoll and the fx dp (Sweeny? Rosenberg? don't recall) is that they only had the big model, that the only scaled up stuff they had were a couple of those cigar hull sensor dish thingies that get jettisoned and blow up.

For the shots you post, they shot the 10 ft model from something like a 1/4 inch away, and then for at least one of them, they added cg geometry matchmoved onto or over the miniature to give more scale. Maybe they didn't figure people would be comparing shots a decade later (silly them!)

One of the ships of the line calendars had what must have been the un-CGIed version of the 10 foot model shot. I remember being extremely surprised when I noticed brush strokes in the paint on the thruster/sensor thingy in the lower right corner.

that's wild. I thought those calendars were usually all just new cg renderings of old movie scenes, I might have to go look that up, thanks!

 

[David cgc]

According to Memory Alpha, it was the 2003 calendar. The center image, not one of the months.

 

[S'kai]

FWIW, the final product, the creation of which prompted this thread is here.

 

[Tallguy]

As far as I'm concerned, the original TMP effect will never be equaled. Right behind the original TOS nacelle cap light effects, it's my holy grail of "how do I duplicate that in CG".