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Lone Star

The ads made it look uninteresting. Some advance reviews made it sound a bit more complex, so I gave it a shot, but I couldn't even make it to the first commercial break. The lead is very handsome but honestly he just comes off as plastic and the music was overbearing and kitschy. Ugh. Good riddance.

Here's what I think happened. They lost the female audience with the sexist ads. They lost the male audience because they cast a cutesy-poo looking guy who would appeal to women, but guys would think is a weenie. Good going!
 
I liked it better than The Event and Hawaii Five-0. I'll watch it again, if there's another episode.
 
I liked it. Watching a con man trying to turn his lies around without getting caught seems interesting enough, but as a long-running series, I can see it stalling and dragging at times. I'll keep watching to see what they put together eventhough it's almost certainly dead.

Lone Star? Is this show about Space Balls or something? :rommie:

Nope. But I'm afraid people, even young people, will hear that whenever this title is said. It's all I heard when I heard the commercials were the characters in the movie saying "Lone Star!"
I kept thinking about Texas as well as that movie with Kris Kristofferson.

Maybe no one's in the mood to watch a show about a con man.
I was wondering about that too.
 
This shows that no matter how much critical acclaim something gets it doesn't mean it'll do well. Maybe no one's in the mood to watch a show about a con man.
If the con-man were Sawyer from LOST I bet it'd do well.
I know I'd watch it.

I don't know. I think it's very difficult to make a show where the supposed hero is a very unlikable character; and not just in a quirky anti-hero kind of way but in the flagrant, in-your-face grade-A-asshole way Sawyer acted before he came to the island.
 
They needed a Josh Holloway type. The guy they cast looks too dopey.

Bingo. That's what bugged me about the lead - he's too wholesome and plastic. He didn't grab me as someone who had something going on inside, that might be interesting to find out more about. The guy needs to be more messy.

I think it's very difficult to make a show where the supposed hero is a very unlikable character
Sawyer isn't very unlikable. More like edgy, and less so than Tony Soprano, Walter White or Dexter Morgan (who get away with being nastier because they're on cable). From the start, there was a definite conflict noticeable about Sawyer. He seemed to be a disgusting racist redneck hick. But he was also witty, charming, apparently more intelligent than he let on, and there was a hint that he was a deeply wounded person putting on a front to keep the world at bay.

That's how you create an edgy character who isn't instantly likable, who the audience will spark to regardless, so that they keep watching, because they see that the likable qualities may be just under the surface. It's a tricky thing to pull off and shows like Dexter and Lost make it look easy, but it's worth trying if the alternative is a boring lead who makes everyone change the channel.
the flagrant, in-your-face grade-A-asshole way Sawyer acted before he came to the island.

It doesn't matter how he acted before he came to the island. The first time we saw Sawyer was on the island. That's when the audience would either accept or reject him. A big reason why the audience didn't reject him is because of Holloway's performance. He played the character as a raging buffoon but also with another level that was just barely noticeable. The right actor is absolutely vital to creating this type of character, which is why the actors performing the characters I've noted above keep getting Emmy nominations and awards - if they weren't at that level, the character would have failed immediately.
 
Well, maybe I misunderstood Jack Bauer, but I thought he meant the character of Sawyer apart from the tv show Lost. Of course Sawyer was a tremendous character and both written and acted exceptionally well, but the man Sawyer (Jr.) was in the flashbacks?
I would probably watch a tv-series centered around him, but I doubt it could ever be mainstream is all I was saying, because that aspect of Lost-Sawyer's character just had no redeeming qualities that I could notice.
 
I saw it and it was okay but it definitely didn't hook me or compel me to learn more about it or even give it a second thought after it was over. I may continue to watch it until it's cancelled. It's almost assured it will be too.
 
Well, canceling it after two low-rated episodes seems a bit harsh, but consider the numbers.

Last week House got something around 10 million viewers more than half of whom changed channels when Lone Star came on afterwards -getting "only" 4 million viewers. The show is also up against Dancing with the Stars a factor Fox should've considered when scheduling. This week the show gets just over 3 million viewers, again, down from the 10 million House gets. So week one it loses 6 million viewers, week 2 it loses 7 million viewers. Not a show to keep at all.

I say it's part the competition it has (DwtS) and part the advertising which just didn't strike me as interesting. Frankly I think the title Lone Star and the advertising brought too many giggles to mind thinking of Spaceballs there's no way I could've taken the show seriously when during the advertisements for it all I hear is "Lone Star!"

This isn't a Firefly situation where the show was oftened pre-empted for sports, the episodes aired out of order, the show not marketed correctly (IIRC it wasn't marketed as a Space-Western action show), or the exposition heavy and excellent pilot wasn't aired until after the show was scheduled for cancellation.

This is a show that couldn't hold on a lead in offering 10-million viewers, and couldn't even hold onto the 4-million viewers it got the first go-around. It wasn't a good show. Simple.

The only thing you might say it had going against it was the competition on other networks which, yeah, is Fox's fault for not foreseeing this complication. But something had to be put there.

This show failed on it's own merit and not because of any mis-handling or itchy trigger fingers on Fox's part.
 
Yeah the show has a prime time slot, TONS of ads and it still failed badly. The premiere was horrible (ratings wise, I didn't watch it), and still managed to fall in week two!

Lie to Me takes it spot... makes sense. Lie to Me is a Fox show while Fringe (the show that should take it's spot) is a WB show.
 
It had a 1.0 in 18-49's. That's not acceptable on FOX or anywhere but cable or maybe CW.

The second episode wasn't as good as the pilot. I'm indifferent about the cancellation. I do hope the lead lands another project, however.
 
It did so bad the show was canceled in the filming of the sixth episode. Most shows get 13 episodes filmed no matter what. Great news for Fox that they didn't order 13 or found a way out of that.

Even the writers said it would be a huge hit or a huge failure. Now we know which one.
 
^ Same here, actually. The two episodes that aired I thought were decent enough, but I don't think either was an outstanding piece of television by any means. As the scheduler also points out, however, Lone Star seemed to be the one broadcast show that was trying something a little different from the norm, so it does make sense that critics flocked around it. That, coupled with Alan Sepinwall's review of the pilot, was what had me interested. I thought the idea of trying to go straight while working in a corporate/family environment could be interesting but I don't agree with critics who thought that James Wolk had any sort of charisma. I thought he was rather flat for the most part.
 
Well, Fox strikes again. Long gone are the days of giving a show a full or half season to find its audience. Now you have to do well right out of the gate, or you're dead.


However, I think it was Fox's own fault. The ads for this really, really put me off. It looked like some new version of Dallas--evil rich people stabbing each other in the back, with lots of sexy babes in the back-ground. Just one glimpse of that made me flee from it like it was the plague.
 
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