London Calling? huh?

[DevilEyes]

I don't know about San Diego, but San Francisco was certainly still standing in the 22nd, 23rd and 24th century! (It still existed during the Dominion war.)

 

[Sci]

For a major world war involving nuclear weapons, World War III doesn't seem to have destroyed the major cities we'd expect it to, especially given as how Paris is still standing.

My theory would be that the nuclear weapons that were detonated mostly detonated in the atmosphere -- raining radioactive death upon the populace, but mostly preserving the various physical locales.

 

[Nerys Ghemor]

My city probably tore itself apart during the Post-Atomic Horror. If it was reconstructed, there is probably still hatred smouldering under the surface even now, no matter how "civilized" everyone pretends to be.

Don't ask.

 

[The Wormhole]

There's barely been many mentions to Canada in Trek. None to Nova Scotia, the province where I'm from.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Looks like my hometown of St. Louis survived into the 24th-Century so that Beverely Crusher could become the infamous "Dancing Doctor."

For a major world war involving nuclear weapons, World War III doesn't seem to have destroyed the major cities we'd expect it to, especially given as how Paris is still standing.

My theory would be that the nuclear weapons that were detonated mostly detonated in the atmosphere -- raining radioactive death upon the populace, but mostly preserving the various physical locales.

Missle defense systems could have shot down most birds before they reached their targets, but there was no defense against the fallout hitting the ground...

 

[Thor Damar]

At least from what I've read from the TrekLit the great city of London is the Diplomatic capital of United Earth and possibly the UFP. It is still probably a major cultural center and entertainment hub and would be one of the major economic cities of the human race but for the lack of a monetary system in the 24th century. (still, the Ferengi tourists are still welcome in London town)

Basically London's more or less the same just gloriously redecorated after a nuclear war...

And if the Italians are Londo Mollari of the Nations, then what are we brits?

 

[The Comedian]

For a major world war involving nuclear weapons, World War III doesn't seem to have destroyed the major cities we'd expect it to, especially given as how Paris is still standing.

My theory would be that the nuclear weapons that were detonated mostly detonated in the atmosphere -- raining radioactive death upon the populace, but mostly preserving the various physical locales.

Or, it was between the West and a coalition of Third World countries, with most of the casualties on the Third World side and the West damaged, but still largely intact.

It would be interesting to see some of that history, for sure.

 

[C.E. Evans]

For a major world war involving nuclear weapons, World War III doesn't seem to have destroyed the major cities we'd expect it to, especially given as how Paris is still standing.

My theory would be that the nuclear weapons that were detonated mostly detonated in the atmosphere -- raining radioactive death upon the populace, but mostly preserving the various physical locales.

Or, it was between the West and a coalition of Third World countries, with most of the casualties on the Third World side and the West damaged, but still largely intact.

Sort of like "Yeah, I got hit hard, but you should see the other guy..."

 

[Count Zero]

For a major world war involving nuclear weapons, World War III doesn't seem to have destroyed the major cities we'd expect it to, especially given as how Paris is still standing.

I always thought they just rebuilt everything, like Cologne but truer to the original. It makes me kind of sad to think about how those people will live in fake-old cities. Walking through Cologne always makes me sad, anyway.

I'd like to think we stayed out of trouble for once but I suspect Berlin got reduced to a nuclear wasteland in WWIII.

 

[Michael]

I'd like to think we stayed out of trouble for once but I suspect Berlin got reduced to a nuclear wasteland in WWIII.

Not necessarily. Apparently in 2155 Berlin is the home of the Vulcan consulate (as per Terra Prime). Kind of cool, if you think about it. Although I guess the city will still be a giant construction site by then.

 

[iguana_tonante]

And if the Italians are Londo Mollari of the Nations, then what are we brits?

I dunno... Lord Refa?

 

[Sci]

At least from what I've read from the TrekLit the great city of London is the Diplomatic capital of United Earth and possibly the UFP.

Porque? What leads you to that conclusion from TrekLit? The only thing I can think of that relates London to diplomacy in TrekLit is that London is where the Embassy of Alpha Centauri is located (as per DS9: Hollow Men by Una McCormack) and that the Federation Council holds an annual dinner in Buckingham Palace (Articles of the Federation by Keith R.A. DeCandido, A Time to Kill by David Mack).

TrekLit has rather firmly established that Paris is the capital city of the Federation by depicting the Federation President and Federation Council as both being headquartered in the Palais de la Concorde, a vast capitol building located on the site of the present-day Place de la Concorde (as per Articles of the Federation).

Meanwhile, the ENT Relaunch novel Kobayashi Maru seems to imply that San Francisco is the capital of United Earth, as that is the city where the United Earth Prime Minister's office is located.

For a major world war involving nuclear weapons, World War III doesn't seem to have destroyed the major cities we'd expect it to, especially given as how Paris is still standing.

My theory would be that the nuclear weapons that were detonated mostly detonated in the atmosphere -- raining radioactive death upon the populace, but mostly preserving the various physical locales.

Or, it was between the West and a coalition of Third World countries, with most of the casualties on the Third World side and the West damaged, but still largely intact.

It would be interesting to see some of that history, for sure.

That would be a pretty well horrifying vision of the future. Utopia is built on a foundation of white domination and Third World genocide? Ugh.

I'd like to think we stayed out of trouble for once but I suspect Berlin got reduced to a nuclear wasteland in WWIII.

Not necessarily. Apparently in 2155 Berlin is the home of the Vulcan consulate (as per Terra Prime). Kind of cool, if you think about it. Although I guess the city will still be a giant construction site by then.

Well, it will be the site of a Vulcan consulates. Foreign nations tend to maintain several consulates in major cities, all of which are subordinate to the embassy that's maintained in the host nation's capital.

 

[Michael]

Well, it will be the site of a Vulcan consulates. Foreign nations tend to maintain several consulates in major cities, all of which are subordinate to the embassy that's maintained in the host nation's capital.

Oops, you are right, of course. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Myasishchev]

The STAR TREK future, either in the new movie, or the old Roddenberry-Berman universe, is kind of sketchy on details as to what happened to Earth between our time and TREK's time.

Oh..something happened. Q's trial points that out, and Sisko's travel to that crappy city didn't look to great either...

So, what do you think happened to YOUR neck of the world, be it London or heck, San Diego?

I think San Diego, my city, eventually became a home for all the comic-book/scifi geeks out there. The big war happened during comicon, stranding thousands of scifi nerds in near San Diego State, a haven for sexy babes. These nerds and babes hooked up and, well....I don't about the rest of the world, but I liked it!!!

Rob

Until some killjoy pointed out that Enterprise featured New York City, I was under the very strong impression of every city east of the Mississippi was destroyed during World War III. Not much talk of Atlanta, or Charleston, or Boston, or Detroit, in the future.

 

[T'Girl]

For a major world war involving nuclear weapons, World War III doesn't seem to have destroyed the major cities we'd expect it to, especially given as how Paris is still standing.

My theory would be that the nuclear weapons that were detonated mostly detonated in the atmosphere -- raining radioactive death upon the populace, but mostly preserving the various physical locales.

Looks like my hometown of St. Louis survived into the 24th-Century so that Beverely Crusher could become the infamous "Dancing Doctor."

That would pretty much have the opposite effect. Fall-out comes from surface materials being sucked into the fireball, irradiated and then falling straight back down or carried a distance by the wind, that's with a low level detonation. The higher in the atmosphere the detonation accures the less fall-out. The ground structures would still be be destroyed by blast and heat, people killed by direct radiation.

If florida had a big canyon craved down it length, it would fill with ocean water, the people of florida would build resorts, water side homes and marinas.

There's been a theory floating for years the it is called the third world war and not WWIII on the various series because the nuclear war took place only in the third world. Spock stated that 37 million died, that doesn't sound like a war that involve the the west with our giant populaton centers and large numbers of warheads. If it was between Iran and Saudi or between two african nations with a exchange of a small number of bombs, you might see "only" 37 million dead.

I'd like Seattle to still be there, but smaller. We're a weird little bunch and the world would be less by our absence.

Wasn't McCoy from Atlanta?

Riker speaks of Alaska as if it were an independant nation. Never referring to himself as an america. Instead of a one world state, I love for there to be thousands or tens of thousands of nations, a homeland for everyone and no large countries.

 

[Myasishchev]

My city probably tore itself apart during the Post-Atomic Horror. If it was reconstructed, there is probably still hatred smouldering under the surface even now, no matter how "civilized" everyone pretends to be.

Don't ask.

Not much talk of Baltimore, Chicago, or.. hey I already said Detroit.

Edit: T'Girl--DeForrest Kelley is from Atlanta. Dunno about Bones.

And there is talk of Iowa, but who would bother targeting that?

 

[Nardpuncher]

What about Winnipeg?

 

[Shawnster]

I was born and raised in a small town in south-central Indiana an hour south of Indianapolis (mentioned in TNG: The Neutral Zone) and an hour east of Bloomington (Kathryn Janeway's childhood home mentioned in VOY: Imperfection). Based on this I strongly assume that my hometown is still standing out in the middle of a cornfield in the 24th century.

Currently I live in northeast Ohio, near Canton. Johnathan Archer mentioned a man from Canton, OH in the year 2151. Apparently Canton at least was still standing then. I'm about 30 minutes northwest of Canton in a little stoplight community so odds are good that this location is also still alive and well. Perhaps absorbed by other larger cities.

 

[Shawnster]

There's barely been many mentions to Canada in Trek. None to Nova Scotia, the province where I'm from.

Ah, don't feel bad. Canada still gets mentioned though.

From Memory Alpha:

Canada was a large country located north of the United States in the North American continent on Earth. The Arctic Circle ran through the country. Canada's national flag was red supporting a central white band with a red 11-pointed maple leaf. (TOS: "The Cage", ENT: "First Flight")
Political maps in the USS Enterprise library computer that identified Canada's location on Earth were accessed by the Talosians in 2254. (TOS: "The Cage", original & remastered)
During the 20th century, triticale, the root grain of quadrotriticale, was developed in Canada. (TOS: "The Trouble with Tribbles")
In an alternate timeline, Canadian Prime Minister William Lyon Mackenzie King was used in a 1944 Nazi propaganda newsreel as an example of a "financial profiteer." (ENT: "Storm Front, Part II")
In the late 20th century, the Canadian Space Agency was founded in cooperation with NASA for the training of astronauts in the latter's Space shuttle program. One of the first graduates of this program was Marc Garneau of STS-41G. (ENT: "First Flight")
Sam Lavelle's grandfather was originally from Canada. In an attempt at small talk, Lavelle pointed out to the Alaska-born William T. Riker that both Canada and Alaska "get a lot of snow", which Riker concedes. (TNG: "Lower Decks")
Michael Eddington's family was also from Canada. A once family heirloom of Eddington's was a 22nd century one dollar coin which he dubbed his "lucky looney". (DS9: "Blaze of Glory")



Due to its geographic location, Canada harbored no tropical diseases, which made it a good vacation spot for people who wanted to avoid such medical issues. (ENT: "Zero Hour")
In the 21st century, Canada was comprised of ten provinces, including Alberta and Manitoba, and three territories. Counselor Deanna Troi once consulted the Manitoba Journal of Interplanetary Psychology. (TNG: "The Price")
Deep Space 9 briefly possessed a Starfleet runabout named the USS Yukon, named after the Yukon River which runs through the Yukon Territory and the US State of Alaska. (DS9: "Sons of Mogh", "By Inferno's Light") In 2375, this station had another runabout, the USS Gander, named after the Gander River in Newfoundland, site of an Allied Air force base from the early days of World War II. (DS9: "Penumbra")
The Mackenzie River runs through a large section of Western Canada. TOS: "The Cage"
The crew of the USS Voyager coined a corridor of Borg-free space the "Northwest Passage", which was named after the unmarked water "trail" for boats in the Arctic Ocean between islands of the Northwest Territories, used as the shortest route around the North American continent. (VOY: "Scorpion")
In 2365, Toronto City Hall appeared in the Iconian gateway found on the planet Iconia. (TNG: "Contagion")
During the 24th century, Calgary remained a tourism destination, particularly for Starfleet Academy cadets who enjoyed skiing. (TNG: "The First Duty")

 

[Cuhl]

MACOs were training at West Point in Enterprise, so it sounds like we're still in business here in the Hudson Valley.