Logan's Run (the TV series)

[FormerLurker]

In that case, there are other movies that "the US" would have acted against that had teen sexuality as a primary element.

The movie was already given a rating that meant kids wouldn't be allowed to see it without an adult, and the only part of the novel that had any element of teen sexuality involving the main characters was when Logan went to the brothel and was propositioned by a 13-year-old (he refused). That part of the book morphed into "the circuit", which is how Logan and Jessica meet (in the book they meet at the New You shop after Jessica has had a face change and is also on Lastday).

So there was ZERO child or young teen sexuality in the movie, and not much in the novel (and what there was - an advertisement for a shop where people on Lastday could remember events of their lives), was regarded unfavorably by the main characters). All the explicit content in the movie is with adult actors.

This sounds so much like being deliberately obtuse, but okay.

This has nothing to do with audience participation. I've read the novel (it has been a long time, but I have read it) and I know about "the circuit" being the replacement for the brothel. That was the point of it.

OF COURSE there was ZERO child or young teen sexuality in the movie. That was the reason for raising the age cutoff, to eliminate that.

Okay, do you have a link to anything that supports this? I'm not in favor of child pornography, but I would like to know where you're getting these assertions from, because it's nothing I've ever heard of before in connection to this movie.

This was my own musing. The link you requested is the post you quoted. This isn't the flex you think it is.

 

[Timewalker]

This sounds so much like being deliberately obtuse, but okay.

This has nothing to do with audience participation. I've read the novel (it has been a long time, but I have read it) and I know about "the circuit" being the replacement for the brothel. That was the point of it.

OF COURSE there was ZERO child or young teen sexuality in the movie. That was the reason for raising the age cutoff, to eliminate that.

This was my own musing. The link you requested is the post you quoted. This isn't the flex you think it is.

Could you try to make an effort not to be rude, not to mention deliberately missing my point?

I just explained the parts of the novel that refer to underage sexuality. Even if the movie had kept the 21-year age limit, there was absolutely NOTHING that would force the producers, writers, or the director to show anyone below the age of 18 in any kind of sexual situation.

As for "the flex"... I assume that's a slang phrase and you have no interest in communicating so there can be no misunderstanding. Therefore I choose to regard it as being irrelevant.

 

[Skipper]

A movie where millennials kill all the boomers? It writes itself!

 

[Christopher]

A movie where millennials kill all the boomers? It writes itself!

The buzz has been that a Logan's Run remake would be a good fit for the Hunger Games generation that wants tales about youth rebellion against tyranny, but that's very strange to me, since the original novel's philosophical and political stance was the diametric opposite of that -- it was a dystopia because the youth rebellion had succeeded, since young people were (in the authors' view) too selfish, short-sighted, and irresponsible to make society function without help from their wiser elders. Even in the movie, the under-30 society was corrupt and shallow, and its people needed a character literally credited as "Old Man" to teach them the right way to live. (Though the TV series inverted that by revealing a secret council of elders running the oppressive state.)

 

[Timewalker]

The buzz has been that a Logan's Run remake would be a good fit for the Hunger Games generation that wants tales about youth rebellion against tyranny, but that's very strange to me, since the original novel's philosophical and political stance was the diametric opposite of that -- it was a dystopia because the youth rebellion had succeeded, since young people were (in the authors' view) too selfish, short-sighted, and irresponsible to make society function without help from their wiser elders. Even in the movie, the under-30 society was corrupt and shallow, and its people needed a character literally credited as "Old Man" to teach them the right way to live. (Though the TV series inverted that by revealing a secret council of elders running the oppressive state.)

The short version: The novel was about overpopulation, and the leader of the youth movement reasoned that 21 years would be enough time to have a life and produce the next generation. Everything would be strictly controlled so there would no longer be too many people born and use up too many resources.

The leader followed his own teachings by accepting Sleep when he turned 21.

The movie, on the other hand, had the people of the city be the descendants of survivors of a nuclear war. The maximum age was 30 - enough time for a reasonably pleasant, mostly unproductive life of leisure, with the possibility of being allowed to procreate (again with controlled numbers).

 

[Skipper]

since young people were (in the authors' view) too selfish, short-sighted, and irresponsible to make society function without help from their wiser elders.

Well, I doubt it would fly well today...

 

[Christopher]

Well, I doubt it would fly well today...

That's my whole point. It's bizarre that Hollywood thinks they could use Logan's Run to capitalize on the very kind of youth rebellion that the novel was written to satirize and condemn.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

The short version: The novel was about overpopulation, and the leader of the youth movement reasoned that 21 years would be enough time to have a life and produce the next generation. Everything would be strictly controlled so there would no longer be too many people born and use up too many resources.

The other central message from the novel is that one sees how pointless the "anything goes" / pleasure to the extreme / morality-free life is once you step away from it to value real life experience. Forced euthanasia at 21 after a life of pure decadence illustrated that the citizens were raised to be a form of cattle, and despite some having professions (e.g. Doc), ultimately, it was to serve that controlled, cattle-like life, one meaningless generation after another.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

A movie where millennials kill all the boomers? It writes itself!

We had one - It was called 'Wild in the Streets'. It was about Baby Boomers vs The Greatest Generation.
The Boomers lowered the voting age to 18, then 14, and forced everyone over 30-35 into camps and fed them LSD to keep them complacent.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

We had one - It was called 'Wild in the Streets'. It was about Baby Boomers vs The Greatest Generation.
The Boomers lowered the voting age to 18, then 14, and forced everyone over 30-35 into camps and fed them LSD to keep them complacent.

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

Oh, man...that film. It was so over the top, and tried to insert every youth culture / political-rise-gone-wrong trope into (almost) every frame.

A few notables in the cast, including a pre-Brady Bunch Barry Williams--

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

Just awful!

 

[DarrenTR1970]

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

Oh, man...that film. It was so over the top, and tried to insert every youth culture / political-rise-gone-wrong trope into (almost) every frame.

A few notables in the cast, including a pre-Brady Bunch Barry Williams--

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

Accept third party cookies

Just awful!

Someone at Movies network must have thought Wild in the Streets and Logan's Run would make a good double feature, because they recently aired them back to back as part of their Saturday morning 'Popcorn Movies'.

 

[Timewalker]

"Saturday popcorn movies?"

I've seen Wild in the Streets. But it was on after midnight, and I was afraid the family might wake up and notice I was watching it.

 

[Kor]

That's my whole point. It's bizarre that Hollywood thinks they could use Logan's Run to capitalize on the very kind of youth rebellion that the novel was written to satirize and condemn.

It wouldn't be the first time that Hollywood twisted literary source material and missed or ignored its point.

Kor

 

[DarrenTR1970]

"Saturday popcorn movies?"

I've seen Wild in the Streets. But it was on after midnight, and I was afraid the family might wake up and notice I was watching it.

Yeah, it starts 8am PST. It's a double feature. The ones I remember are 'The Swarm' and 'Food of the Gods, and for David Cronenberg's birthday 'Rabid' and 'The Dead Zone'.

 

[Scott Kellogg]

I recently ran across something about the "Robot" that appeared in "The Innocent."
It was a promotional robot (and something of a fraud) by a company called Quasar.
Quasar billed their robot as a fully functional robot: The "Klatu" (which they said was "U-talk" backwards) Klatu could cook food, walk the dog, vacuum the floor and otherwise act as a butler.

This being the 1970s, gullible people thought that robots like C-3PO were real. In this case, it was simply a radio controlled robot.

https://www.theoldrobots.com/QuasarKlatu.html

Quasar went out of business long ago. Basically they tried to use their radio controlled robot as a promotional sales gimmick. They even had it serve drinks on a plane.

Personally, I thought it was an interesting robot because it doesn't look like a guy in a suit.
I get kind of bored of those. Those and the android that's indistinguishable from a human with or without greasepaint.

(Edit: I should add that the "Maid Without Tears" was a scam in greasepaint.)

 

[Redfern]

Yo, Scott! I'm glad you stated from the start that "thing" was pretty much a flat out scam. I remember a couple of columns and articles in StarLog mentioning it along with other "robots" promoted as being far more functional than they really were.

I love the unintended irony of that art, a supposedly general purpose robot using a low profile canister vacuum to clean the floor. The reality we finally got was a specific purpose mechanism; the canister vac became the robot itself!

 

[Scott Kellogg]

Hey Bill!

Yeah, it's been a while since I read about the "Klatu" robot, but I think the CEO of the company disappeared or died or something and the whole scam fell apart. There wasn't a lot of information on the Quasar company available online.

Oh, and if anyone's interested: I did a bit of am homage/satire/parody on the Logan's Run TV show in my webcomic. Though, I didn't set it in a post apocalyptic world. I set it in the Middle East.
(Pretty much the same thing.)

It's sort of a "Visiting the planet of the 1970s." The Story starts here:
http://techfox.comicgenesis.com/d/20180702.html

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

"Saturday popcorn movies?"

I've seen Wild in the Streets. But it was on after midnight, and I was afraid the family might wake up and notice I was watching it.

Wild in the Streets struck me as something deliberately made to make its own material look bad. A parody, specifically made to slam itself.

Kind of like Reefer Madness. Most people never seriously thought weed did that to people, it's making fun of reactionaries against it. Same story here. In both cases, it's like "only idiots really think this is happening".