Logan's Run First Watch

[Kor]

I love Logan's Run for it's undeniable 70s future dystopia style. I also think it's a great movie with a compelling story. I'm quite surprised that this has not yet been remade! There have been rumours around for a while about something in the works, but nothing I've found shows any actual movement on the project. Does anyone know anything?

Last March, Deadline reported on the remake project. It's supposed to be a Warner Brothers picture, written by Peter Craig and directed by Simon Kinberg. Source: https://deadline.com/2018/03/warner...h-hunger-games-writer-peter-craig-1202280867/
Various other news outlets repeated the same info.

Then in November, Deadline reported that Craig had submitted his Logan's Run script to WB. Source: https://deadline.com/2018/11/gladia...craig-writing-paramount-universal-1202494152/

There doesn't seem to be any more news since then, though.

Kor

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Well that was an interesting read. The downside is that I've now discovered that there was a third book "Logan's Search" which I now need to find and read.

It sounds fairly weird.

Its just OK, if you want to revisit the characters, but it was not a necessary sequel story. I've always felt William F. Nolan was simply pushing the property he co-created at a time when it had become a mini-franchise with potential in the popular culture, with a movie, his first sequel novel, a comic series and short-lived TV series becoming part of the popular culture. So, despite his considerable fantasy credits before LR, I believe he realized it was his great claim to fame, and he wanted to push it as far as it would go.

The TV series was just another in the long line of bad 70's sci-fi shows based on movies.

The TV series had a few strong episodes, but by 1977, the "chase" and/or "man-on-the-run" sub-genre represented by one undeniable classic (The Fugitive),followed by Run For Your Life, The Invaders & The Immortal was worn out--the only exception being The Incredible Hulk (CBS, 1978-82). So, a tired sub-genre saddled with a limited budget, and no producer decision on whether or not a real Sanctuary would ever be found, the format trapped the protagonists into a hamster wheel of go-nowhere plotting.

Oh, and CBS effectively guaranteed a...short lifespan...by changing its schedule more times than any series deserved, as a result, initial interest in the show gave way to audiences growing tired of trying to find the program.

I love Logan's Run for it's undeniable 70s future dystopia style. I also think it's a great movie with a compelling story. I'm quite surprised that this has not yet been remade! There have been rumours around for a while about something in the works, but nothing I've found shows any actual movement on the project. Does anyone know anything?

Its been in Development Hell since the late 1990s with a sea of mid-level to big name directors and producers all announced as potential participants. I'm aware of recent developments, but on a personal note, I only want to see another LR film if it adapts the novel nearly to the letter. The story was so inventive that its earned a straight adaptation, not a remake of the 1976 movie.

 

[JD]

I don't know if they're any good or not, but a few years ago the comics publisher Tidalwave did a whole bunch of Logan's Run comics, starting with an adaptation of the novel, and then going on to a bunch of sequel stories.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

I don't know if they're any good or not, but a few years ago the comics publisher Tidalwave did a whole bunch of Logan's Run comics, starting with an adaptation of the novel, and then going on to a bunch of sequel stories.

Do you mean Bluewater Comics' 6-issue, Logan's Run: Last Day (2010) and the 2011 follow-up, Logan's Run: Aftermath?

 

[Greg Cox]

True story: Many years ago Tor was offered the rights to the original novel with the promise that a big new movie version, directed by Bryan Singer, would be going into production any day now. I passed on the offer, although not without some regrets, because I had been burned on the "soon to be a major motion picture" thing before.

That was back during the Clinton administration, I think.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

True story: Many years ago Tor was offered the rights to the original novel with the promise that a big new movie version, directed by Bryan Singer, would be going into production any day now. I passed on the offer, although not without some regrets, because I had been burned on the "soon to be a major motion picture" thing before.

That was back during the Clinton administration, I think.

Dodged a bullet on that one!

It seems next to no one knows how to properly adapt the book into a film, based on the (usually terrible) ideas that have been trickled out (since the 1990s) with every start-and-stopped Logan's Run announcement.

 

[JD]

Do you mean Bluewater Comics' 6-issue, Logan's Run: Last Day (2010) and the 2011 follow-up, Logan's Run: Aftermath?

Yeah, apparently the company eventually changed it's name to Tidal Wave, and they also do a couple more miniseries after Aftermath, Black Flower, and Rebirth.

 

[Mr Awe]

For what it's worth, it goes both ways and has been going on for probably as long as there has been fandom. I got my first angry letter from an "aggrieved" right-wing reader decades ago. So if I sometimes sound impatient, understand that I've been on the receiving end of such grievances for my entire career and it can get wearying.

"How dare you cram your liberal commie politics into STAR TREK!"
"The Kingpin is not black!"
"Batwoman is not gay!"
"Does the Evil Liberal Media force you to include vulgarities in your books?"
"I threw your ALIAS novel in the trash because of that one gay bar in Chapter Three. Why do you hate God?"

Not making any of that up. Trust me, people have been airing grievances about pop culture since Day One. It's not something modern progressives invented.

(See also The Ten-Cent Plague by David Hadju, which covers decades of anti-comic-book crusades and grievances.)

Thanks for the great perspective on that! Very true!

 

[Maurice]

As white as a Republican Caucus? As caucasian as europe circa 1925?

 

[Christopher]

I almost find that a little offensive, just doesn't seem like it's nice to say. Kind of mean don't you think? Kind of like calling a Vulcan green as an old copper kettle. Sounds like something Lieutenant Stiles would say.

There's a big difference between punching up and punching down. If you made fun of the skin color of the one or two token black people in the overwhelmingly white crowd, that would be attacking the vulnerable from a position of privilege and participating in the unfairness of the situation. But if you complain that the crowd is far too white, that's criticizing the privileged from a position of vulnerability and challenging the unfairness of the situation. The people with the unfair advantage don't get to pretend they're the victims.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Yeah, apparently the company eventually changed it's name to Tidal Wave, and they also do a couple more miniseries after Aftermath, Black Flower, and Rebirth.

Last Day was an interesting, stylish take on the original concept, certainly superior to any of Adventure Comics' 6-issue adaptation from 1990, which left much to be desired.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I almost find that a little offensive, just doesn't seem like it's nice to say. Kind of mean don't you think? Kind of like calling a Vulcan green as an old copper kettle. Sounds like something Lieutenant Stiles would say.

Indeed. Stiles hated Wonder Bread for what it did to his family during the Gluten Wars.

 

[Skipper]

Was there any meaning in the colors of the clothes? I don't remember this particular detail ...

 

[Skipper]

Found!

White or "clear"...birth to age 7
Yellow...8 to 15
Green...16 to 23
Red...24 to 30.

 

[Christopher]

White or "clear"...birth to age 7
Yellow...8 to 15
Green...16 to 23
Red...24 to 30.

Which match the colors of the palm crystals. So people are constantly wearing colors that advertise how long they have left to live -- another creepy dystopian element disguised as something festive and pretty.

Plus there's also black for Sandmen. I was wondering how Jessica knew Logan was a Sandman when they first met, but then I realized it was because his robes were black. Even off-duty, they keep the color coding.

 

[Skipper]

Which match the colors of the palm crystals. So people are constantly wearing colors that advertise how long they have left to live -- another creepy dystopian element disguised as something festive and pretty.

Yep, the few kids that we see wear yellow

 

[XCV330]

I almost find that a little offensive, just doesn't seem like it's nice to say. Kind of mean don't you think? Kind of like calling a Vulcan green as an old copper kettle. Sounds like something Lieutenant Stiles would say.

Well there are nuances. If you get all absolutist about it you're no better than a Cardassian spoonhead. ooops

 

[Vger23]

Yep, the few kids that we see wear yellow

The cubs in Cathedral wear tattered yellow clothes as well.

 

[Christopher]

The cubs in Cathedral wear tattered yellow clothes as well.

Yeah, it's interesting how even the rebel/feral kids are still part of the system; it's a phase they're allowed to go through, but they're still required to give it up once they're old enough, so it's just a token rebellion against the absolute order.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Yeah, it's interesting how even the rebel/feral kids are still part of the system; it's a phase they're allowed to go through, but they're still required to give it up once they're old enough, so it's just a token rebellion against the absolute order.

It's got nothing to do with the "system". At least, not the "system" enforced by the computer within the city. I rather doubt that the computer even knows that cubs exist at all - or, if it does know, that it even cares.

The cubs, being all about youth rebellion and all that crap, naturally cannot tolerate anyone who gets too old. Remember how Logan taunted Billy with the fact that no cub has ever "gone to green", and when Billy reaches that age, his "friends" would tear him to pieces?

The only reason that cubs are "required" to give up their status once they reach age 16 is because when they do, they will be violently killed by other cubs. It's a "Lord of the Flies" thing. It has absolutely nothing to do with the order enforced by the computer, it's the cubs' OWN order. They have nothing to do with each other.