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Logan’s Run, Planet of the Apes and other SciFi Classics

One problem I have with the whole "STAR WARS ruined SF movies" thing is the assumption that, if not for STAR WARS, we would be drowning in literate, cerebral SF films, as the studios fell over themselves to give us lavish cinematic adaptations of Gene Wolfe, Ursula K. Le Guin, Larry Niven, or whomever.

Greg, I don't believe that's the debate--or at least not the one made here. As another member mentioned, literate sci-fi movies already existed pre-SW, and in fact, between 1970 - 76 one could argue there there were more risk-taking, literate releases in that concentrated period than anytime since.

In the post SW era, for every serious attempt such Outland, CE3K, Alien, or Blade Runner (I leave ST: TMP off that list as it was trying too hard to be "important" and suppressed the heart of what made TOS tick), you had Flash Gordon, Krull, The Last Starfighter, Explorers, the Back to the Future series, Battle Beyond the Stars, The Adventures of Buckaroo Banzai Across the 8th Dimension, The Black Hole ('cause that was going to be "biggerer and betterer"). I include TV productions such as Battlestar Galactica and Buck Rogers in the 25th Century, since they were significant efforts to make SW lightning strike thrice.

The common link is that unlike the pre-SW 70s, the post SW period (where the majority of sci-fi films were barely above the maturity of a cartoon) had the full support of studios and in many cases, the creating by committee that has been so criticized (in irony that would quake the stars) by George Lucas.


What really happened, perhaps, is that Hollywood stopped churning out westerns--good, bad, and mediocre--and started churning out sci-fi adventures instead . ...

They could churn as much as they desired, but they had choices in the kind of content they wanted to develop, and post SW (see the films listed above) the choice was lowbrow spectacle.
 
Speaking of LOGAN'S RUN, his co-creator is celebrating his 86th birthday this weekend with a public celebration:

GEORGE CLAYTON JOHNSON'S 86th BIRTHDAY PARTY
At Mystery & Imagination Bookshop in Glendale, CA, Sat., July 11th, 2-5 pm.
Readings of George's stories by authors Peter Atkins and Dennis Etchison (and maybe me), plus the playing of several cuts from George's albums, featuring him reading his short stories with sound effects, and music provided by Paul Johnson. A splendid time is guaranteed for all! Photo by Brenda Cox Giguere.
90 Minute free parking in Orange Street Parking Structure across Brand from the store, located at 238 N. Brand Blvd., Glendale, CA 91203. Ph: (818)-545-0206
 
I remember when PBS ran 'The Lathe of Heaven' wayy back in 1980...
was a fantastic telling of the story..and I was able to get it on DVD in 2002
other than the wonky alien spacecraft effects, it still holds up even today..

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kUYYFJpd1I[/yt]


The A&E channel remake...sucked..

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr9DQ98R4xg[/yt]
 
Which, btw, is my submission to the list of "classics". Yes, it's contemporary, but it's the only other show I know besides SG-1 (which I also would nominate) that hit the ground running in a way that drew me right in and didn't let go.

Interesting how perceptions differ. I don't think Stargate SG-1 really found its voice and started getting good until season 2 or 3.

I think that the seamless way that Shanks took over the role of Daniel from Spader had a lot to do with it. They even looked a lot alike. It made the show feel to me like an organic extension of the movie.

I didn't even know that there had been an actor change until someone pointed it out to me.
 
Really? You thought he was the only one to continue the role from the movie to series?

Actually the ones who did that were Alexis Cruz as Skaara and Erick Avari as Kasuf, though I don't think Avari showed up until season 2. So if it had been the same actor playing Daniel, he wouldn't have been the only one, unless you're limiting it to the regular cast. (Also Richard Kind appeared in both the movie and Stargate Atlantis, but as different characters.)
 
Logan's Run has dominated this thread--how about other other films not yet discussed?

What do you guys think of Carpenter's Escape from New York?
 
I liked it for what it was. And, gotta love the Caddie with the chandelier! The supporting actors turned in decent performances, and Ernest Borgnine was...well...Cabbie!
 
...and Ernest Borgnine was...well...Cabbie!

:borg: :borg: :borg: :techman:


Back to the Future is also a classic, all three movies. Part III playing in the Wild Wild West is my favorite.

Buford Tannen, Dark Helmet and Weyoun are hilarious villains.

Weyoun asking Dark Helmet: "Where do I get such a big and handy helmet? Quite impressive....":lol:..... Just to be shot by Buford Tannen....:guffaw:
 
Cocoon was a popular and successful mainstream sci-fi film, winning two Academy Awards, it was post-Star Wars original trilogy, released in 1985, and yet it was hardly an action film.

I mention it, because it refutes the idea that studio executives assumed that audiences wanted all sci-fi films to be low-brow action films in the wake of Star Wars. Rather than patterned after Star Wars, Cocoon is very much in the Close Encounters/E.T. mold.

And while we're at it, E.T. is another counterexample, released in 1982, still during the OT, but well after the Star Wars juggernaut took off.

I really like Close Encounters. It's been a while since I've seen Cocoon, but I remember enjoying it on cable at the time. E.T., on the other hand, blech! Extremely popular, yes, but watching that film was a thoroughly unpleasant experience for me. I'm an E.T. hater and proud of it! E.T., go home!
 
...and Ernest Borgnine was...well...Cabbie!

:borg: :borg: :borg: :techman:


Back to the Future is also a classic, all three movies. Part III playing in the Wild Wild West is my favorite.

Buford Tannen, Dark Helmet and Weyoun are hilarious villains.

Weyoun asking Dark Helmet: "Where do I get such a big and handy helmet? Quite impressive....":lol:..... Just to be shot by Buford Tannen....:guffaw:

Good One on the Borg Nine, Kilana! :lol:
He would not have made an excellent Drone. :borg:

I like BthF III also! Lots and lots of good lines and scenes! :techman:

Cocoon was a popular and successful mainstream sci-fi film, winning two Academy Awards, it was post-Star Wars original trilogy, released in 1985, and yet it was hardly an action film.

I mention it, because it refutes the idea that studio executives assumed that audiences wanted all sci-fi films to be low-brow action films in the wake of Star Wars. Rather than patterned after Star Wars, Cocoon is very much in the Close Encounters/E.T. mold.

And while we're at it, E.T. is another counterexample, released in 1982, still during the OT, but well after the Star Wars juggernaut took off.

I really like Close Encounters. It's been a while since I've seen Cocoon, but I remember enjoying it on cable at the time. E.T., on the other hand, blech! Extremely popular, yes, but watching that film was a thoroughly unpleasant experience for me. I'm an E.T. hater and proud of it! E.T., go home!

I must agree with you on E.T., and even parts of Close Encounters have not aged well, IMO. Cocoon always makes me smile, and also tear up a bit in parts. When I first saw it, I remember wondering if people realized who they were watching, in terms of the caliber and experience of the cast?
 
What do you guys think of Carpenter's Escape from New York?

Not much. Never was a fan of John Carpenter's stuff. Plus, characters like Snake Plissken always get on my nerves.

I remember liking it at the time, but haven't seen it since it first came out.

Besides HALLOWEEN, of course, my favorite Carpenter films are probably THE THING and BIG TROUBLE WITH LITTLE CHINA. And I have a soft spot for THE FOG as well.

As for COCOON, here's a funny bit of trivia. Here in the USA, it opened the same day as LIFEFORCE. I actually saw both of them in the same afternoon, and the weird thing is . . . they're kinda the same movie. Both are about strange alien beings sustained by some kind of intangible "life force" who eventually imbue human beings with the same energy and desire. And in both movies the human hero has a quasi-sex scene with the beautiful female alien where they exchange life energies or whatever . . ..

The only different is that COCOON is warm and sunny and sentimental, while LIFEFORCE is lurid and horrific. But they're the same aliens, I tell you! :)
 
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I mention it, because it refutes the idea that studio executives assumed that audiences wanted all sci-fi films to be low-brow action films in the wake of Star Wars.

Straw man. Nobody said "all." The point was not that such movies abruptly ceased to exist, simply that they were heavily outnumbered and somewhat crowded out by the big FX blockbusters. And Greg's already offered an effective counterargument to that.

Besides, while Cocoon may not have been an action film, it was hardly a thoughtful, sophisticated movie in the vein of a 2001 or a Blade Runner. It was more a sentimental crowd-pleaser.


E.T., on the other hand, blech! Extremely popular, yes, but watching that film was a thoroughly unpleasant experience for me. I'm an E.T. hater and proud of it! E.T., go home!

Here we agree. I had the novelization at the time it came out, but I never actually saw the movie until it aired on TV some years later, and I was stunned by how insipid and mindless it was. Although it was a testament to Spielberg's mastery of technique, because the directing and acting and music and cinematography and such were able to evoke tears from me even though I felt nothing but contempt for the ridiculous, manipulative plot and shallow, unpleasant characters. I actually resented being manipulated into having an emotional response to a story that didn't deserve it.

I had a friend in college who loved E.T. and thought it embodied the essence of childhood, but to me it just embodied Spielberg's idealized fantasy of childhood. You want a film that more effectively captures the worldview of a child, watch To Kill a Mockingbird.



As for COCOON, here's a funny bit of trivia. Here in the USA, it opened the same day as LIFEFORCE. I actually saw both of them in the same afternoon, and the weird thing is . . . they're kinda the same movie. Both are about strange alien beings sustained by some kind of intangible "life force" who eventually imbue human beings with the same energy and desire. And in both movies the human hero has a quasi-sex scene with the beautiful female alien where they exchange life energies or whatever . . ..

The only different is that COCOON is warm and sunny and sentimental, while LIFEFORCE is lurid and horrific. But they're the same aliens, I tell you! :)

The other difference being that Tahnee Welch didn't spend half of Cocoon walking around totally nude. Although I remember really wishing that she had.
 
Logan's Run has dominated this thread--how about other other films not yet discussed?

What do you guys think of Carpenter's Escape from New York?

I really liked it, I liked the Duke of New York, too bad he ended up as a school cook in Colorado. :P

Too bad Escape from LA wasn't good.


BTW, I love this thread, I had thought about making one like this when I got some movies on dvd recently.

I got 4 movies for $8, Dune, Battlestar Galactica, Last Starfighter, and Flash Gordon.

I don't know if it was because of my age at the time but there's something about those movies and some of the others, like Logan's Run and Escape from New York, that really resonates with me. I enjoy them just as much years later and with few exceptions, that era is the one I think of for "favorite" movies. Ghostbusters, Terminator, Predator, Commando, I loved those. They never get old for me.
 
I'm enjoying this thread, too. Talking nonstop about Trek can be fun, too, but you can only argue the finer points of the Prime Directive so many times before you want to talk about Apes or Sandmen or The Forbin Project instead . . . .
 
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