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I think it's extremely selfish and exploitative of the retail lobby to keep trying to undermine the work-free sunday, and that has nothing to do with religion to me.

Yup, everyone needs at least one day just to have time to themselves.

I've worked 13:30-22:00 Sunday nights with 8:30am Monday starts straight after, refered to here as "singles shifts" which if you enter your marital status as "single", you get stuck with.

I'd like that got rid of for a start, as you'd think that would be the quietist time you'd have, only the 30-40 customers still queing as your shift is about to end show otherwise.
 
Just because you work Sunday doesn't mean you're forced to work the other 6 days of the week, too.... People who work Sundays get time off just like everybody else.
 
I think it's extremely selfish and exploitative of the retail lobby to keep trying to undermine the work-free sunday, and that has nothing to do with religion to me.

Yep, it makes sense for workers' rights reasons. Not for religious reasons. ;)
But yeah... she wasn't talking about that.
 
Just because you work Sunday doesn't mean you're forced to work the other 6 days of the week, too.... People who work Sundays get time off just like everybody else.

Exactly. Getting the law out of when people want to open their business and when people can work was a great thing here. And lets not forget there are tons of folk who wouldn't even question working Sundays, like nursing staff, train station personnel, police..
 
Just because you work Sunday doesn't mean you're forced to work the other 6 days of the week, too.... People who work Sundays get time off just like everybody else.

Exactly. Getting the law out of when people want to open their business and when people can work was a great thing here. And lets not forget there are tons of folk who wouldn't even question working Sundays, like nursing staff, train station personnel, police..

Police in Germany doesn't work on Sundays, silly. The unionized criminals are all taking the day off, too. Gotta love European collective bargaining agreements. Industrial relations really work well here.
 
Some of us have actually spent the last fifty odd years being nice to people, helping little old ladies across the street, giving to charity, being honest, working in jobs such as health care, being kind to animals, nurturing and supporting friends and strangers, marching, arguing, writing, and otherwise struggling on a daily basis to improve the human condition by whatever incremental steps we can manage, and we do it without the slightest belief in the occult. ;)

Or in humility, it would seem.

:rommie:
 
Just because you work Sunday doesn't mean you're forced to work the other 6 days of the week, too.... People who work Sundays get time off just like everybody else.

And when does their spouse get their day off? Their friends?

People who work weird schedules will find time for their friends and family. The law doesn't need to enforce such a day.
Besides, isn't limiting which days a person can work (as opposed to mandatory days off) anti worker's rights? If I couldn't have worked weekends in college I wouldn't have been able to support myself. I needed that Sunday shift.
 
Exactly. I've been working Sundays for years. I've never once been upset about it.

Honestly, I much prefer having Mondays off. I can drive around and run all my errands, and nobody is out because they're all stuck at work. :lol:
 
Ewww, Sunday shifts. Church people coming to eat being all cheap and leaving tracts instead of tips because apparently you shouldn't be working Sunday and it's tooootally not their fault for going out to eat.

Yup, everyone needs at least one day just to have time to themselves.

Right, and underneath the religious language that's the real purpose behind the "keep the Sabbath" commandment. Everybody - everybody - needs a day to themselves for enjoyment and not to be working. Particularly in an agricultural/pastoral society where backbreaking labor would be pretty much the norm. Invoking that even the deity took a day off just gives religious authority to what is, ultimately, a social/workers' rights issue. And it's not just for the people working after all but for the employers - "Remember the Sabbath and keep it holy - in other words GIVE YOUR WORKERS A DAY OFF."

Not really an issue in many places today thanks to society having evolved in 2500 years and a developed sense of workers' rights, fortunately (too bad about my country...). But it's still valuable for the religious as a reminder that we have an ethical responsibility to treat each other well.
 
Difference between Americans and Swedes: we don't really find farts funny most of the time.
I actually do think they're funny. There is a fabulous quote: "You don't have to be smart to laugh at a fart, but you'd have to be stupid not to." Part of their charm is that they are a breech in etiquette, though, and so maintaining that etiquette 99% of the time is important!
First off, I really shouldn't post before breakfast. I get all snippy.

And of course we can find farts funny. I have siblings after all, it's near a form of communication. but I guess it's just levels of it. For example...the bloody Slitheen in Doctor Who. I know, they haven't really been sen in the series since the first season of the restart, but...fart aliens? I just don't find it funny.

I think it was AA Gill who once defined a fart as something that makes you laugh even if it wasn't inherently funny. He said that in reference to "The Fast Show" though, which is just brilliant.

Also, I think it was Mark Wahlberg who once defined true love as the ability to tolerate it when your other half breaks wind before you (obviously it would be impolite to do so when it was the other person's turn ;)).
 
Some of us have actually spent the last fifty odd years being nice to people, helping little old ladies across the street, giving to charity, being honest, working in jobs such as health care, being kind to animals, nurturing and supporting friends and strangers, marching, arguing, writing, and otherwise struggling on a daily basis to improve the human condition by whatever incremental steps we can manage, and we do it without the slightest belief in the occult. ;)

Or in humility, it would seem.

:lol: Reading it out of context, I'd be inclined to agree -- lacking in humility.

However, in context, as a response to AnOfficer's comment, it's appropriate. Religious people do not have a monopoly on goodness, nor is every "practicing believer in God" the paragon of virtue that AnOfficer assumes.
Exactly. :)
 
I do sincerely apologise if my comments offended anyone. I didn't mean to belittle anyone's lifestyle or actions!

I think it can absolutely be the case that there may be someone who really "gets it" and dedicates their life to being a kind helpful person, whilst you may have another who has spent their entire life in a place of worship, but has missed the point entirely and has no concept of what it is to be a humane person. It is my belief that only God knows the hearts and intentions of people, and it is not my place to judge.

My only point is that, I believe life to be a path to God, that we come from God, and to God we return. I actually am pretty persuaded by ideas of reality as "holographic universe"... that all we see here is transient and will perish one day, and the only real things which survive are thoughts and intentions. I love metaphysics! So it's not about finding a perfect partner, it's about finding a partner who will help me find the source of all perfection... by seeking the grace of God... through worship, and manifesting the sincerity of that worship through good actions to our fellow creatures and the planet.
 
Sorry to drop in on your argument, which I didn't follow, nor even really care about (clearly even the most superficial glance should tell any reasonable person that the "10 commandments are fundamentally deficient as a conclusive list of rights), but I feel very strongly about making/keeping sundays and holidays work-free for most people, because it's important to keep work and life seperate.

Your "need" to buy chips and shampoo on sunday afternoon after you had all week to do your shopping doesn't override the salesperson's right to spend some time with their family; or just to do fuck all one day a week.

I think it's extremely selfish and exploitative of the retail lobby to keep trying to undermine the work-free sunday, and that has nothing to do with religion to me.
[disclaimer: I'm not free of guilt in that regard too, although at least, I feel bad when I buy beer or whatever after work, knowing I'm contributing to keeping the poor cashiers at work when they should really already be going home too]

Buisness generally don't open unless there is a demand. So one could make an argument something along the lines of.

Buisness should be allowed to open whatever hours they please.

I think I can say with some certantity that if no one came in on a Sunday they would soon close that day. As others have said they might get would get a different day off instead of Sunday. It's the same with late night opening or 24hr opening, they are open because there is a demand. If people didn't shop then they would soon close and in the case of some sectors of retail only have a replenishment team in overnight to prepare the shop for buisness the following.

A second argument could be made that the government is intering in my rights. If I want to go shopping on a Sunday, then that's upto me. Not for a Government to say sorry but you can't. For example in the UK whilst we have sunday trading laws, Shops over 3000sq ft are only allowed to open for 6hours, the company I work for allows you to opt out of Sunday working.

So for example all you have to do is pass allow which allows Sunday working but you you have to give employees the option of opting out of sunday working. So you give people the choice of having Sunday off or working Sunday if they choose.
 
I do sincerely apologise if my comments offended anyone. I didn't mean to belittle anyone's lifestyle or actions!
No harm done. I know that you are a very nice person and want the best for everybody. Despite our different beliefs, we are birds of a feather. :)
 
My list is basically "Be a good person." Everything either follows from that or is negotiable.

I love the idea of this simplified list. I would add a few more things though:

A good person
A sense of humor
Educated and smart
Independent and has her own things going on
Reasonably fit

It would be hard for me to give up any one of these. But most everything else would be negotiable.

Mr Awe
 
Difference between Americans and Swedes: we don't really find farts funny most of the time.
I actually do think they're funny. There is a fabulous quote: "You don't have to be smart to laugh at a fart, but you'd have to be stupid not to." Part of their charm is that they are a breech in etiquette, though, and so maintaining that etiquette 99% of the time is important!
First off, I really shouldn't post before breakfast. I get all snippy.

And of course we can find farts funny. I have siblings after all, it's near a form of communication. but I guess it's just levels of it. For example...the bloody Slitheen in Doctor Who. I know, they haven't really been sen in the series since the first season of the restart, but...fart aliens? I just don't find it funny.

I can laugh at most things, but farts I can't laugh at. Burps either. I just find them disgusting!

For those reasons, I could not stand the frigging Slitheen!

Just not my thing I guess, but I can laugh at most other things!

Mr Awe
 
I do sincerely apologise if my comments offended anyone. I didn't mean to belittle anyone's lifestyle or actions!
No offense taken at all. After all, you aren't offended by us no sharing your opinion. Why should we take offense at you not sharing ours? If everyone would think the same, the world would be an unbearably boring place.

Notwithstanding my friendship to a rabbi, a catholic priest and a muezzin, an even closer relationship with a very religious person would be completely out of the question for myself. I just don't think I could stand that without exploding. When you love someone and are convinced that he/she does something totally wrong, you will inevitably attempt to change them. And while with friends you still have a certain emotional distance so that you can discuss such hot topics, with lovers you are at just too close a distance to be able to fight without serious injuries.
Hence I think it wiser to not get in such a situation at all.
 
I actually do think they're funny. There is a fabulous quote: "You don't have to be smart to laugh at a fart, but you'd have to be stupid not to." Part of their charm is that they are a breech in etiquette, though, and so maintaining that etiquette 99% of the time is important!
First off, I really shouldn't post before breakfast. I get all snippy.

And of course we can find farts funny. I have siblings after all, it's near a form of communication. but I guess it's just levels of it. For example...the bloody Slitheen in Doctor Who. I know, they haven't really been sen in the series since the first season of the restart, but...fart aliens? I just don't find it funny.

I can laugh at most things, but farts I can't laugh at. Burps either. I just find them disgusting!

For those reasons, I could not stand the frigging Slitheen!

Just not my thing I guess, but I can laugh at most other things!

Mr Awe

Belching and flatulence aren't funny. Talking about, and reacting to, belching and flatulence, however, is hilarious.
 
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