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LIghtoller's Granddaughter: "No one should have died on Titanic"

I guess the one that appalls me most of all is the lack of lifeboats and proper emergency procedures. Whether it was an iceberg or an asteroid, how could so many people assume that nothing would go wrong and that the ship would not need to be evacuated in some, however remote, circumstance?
As has been pointed out many times, it’s called hubris. Or, in modern psychobabble, “denial.”
 
I guess the one that appalls me most of all is the lack of lifeboats and proper emergency procedures. Whether it was an iceberg or an asteroid, how could so many people assume that nothing would go wrong and that the ship would not need to be evacuated in some, however remote, circumstance?
As has been pointed out many times, it’s called hubris. Or, in modern psychobabble, “denial.”

Yes, I know, as I was the first to point it out in this thread. :lol: But it's still just astounding to think about how arrogant humans can be sometimes.
 
All things to consider, hasn't "NASA" killed how many astronauts? From the
early days of the Space Race, to Challenger, and now Columbia's final mission
over Texas. I stress that management fail to listen to reason and logic,
something the Vulcan's find amusing amongst 'huuu-mans' as well as the
Ferengi. I realize now more than ever, loss of life CAN BE avoidable, with proper
safe guards, and also vigilance.

Yet we are all doomed to repeat history, stump evolutionary growth and
maturity, with ignorance, arrogance, hatred, and immaturity. Titanic, by no
means an 'hic-up' but a reflection of man's ability to stall progress and inner
maturity for technological prosperity. Money and machine to make someone
else rich. Machines becoming the new labor force with better results.

J. Bruce Ismay saw a new machine, to make a great ocean liner to ferry the
rich and affluent across the North Atlantic. How much for a "ONE WAY" ticket
1st and 2nd class on Olympic and Titanic? Now newer ocean liners cram more
people for a little 'less' but not as grand as these old ladies of the ocean.

The Olympic never did 'retire' properly. After the Light Nantucket Ship incident,
the Olympic was 'scrapped' and 'broken up'. The last of the White Star Line
Ocean liners sold for scrap, broken up, and her inner furnishings strewn all over
England, sold at auction or in some pubs in the UK. At least, the more dignified
means would be to bring Olympic to the "old" White Star Line Office, to be
permanently berthed in cement docked permanently as an hotel and or a copy
of her made to be used for 'Titanic' movies. Reality hurts, don't get married,
keep your money. :) :D :) :D
 
I saw a doco that strongly suggested the hull steel wa sall wrong, very brittle. Someone brogut up some fragments, did some testing.

Another factor in a whole forest of factors, much like Piper Alpha a few years ago.


IIRC, that would have been the documentary "Titanic: Anatomy of a Disaster".
 
The life boats break down:

Life Boat#01: On Board: 12/Capacity: 40
Life Boat#02: 25/40
Life Boat#03: 40/65
Life Boat#04: 40/65
Life Boat#05: 41/65
Life Boat#06: 28/65
Life Boat#07: 28/65
Life Boat#08: 28/65
Life Boat#09: 56/65
Life Boat#10: 55/65
Life Boat#11: 70/65
Life Boat#12: 43/65
Life Boat#13: 64/65
Life Boat#14: 60/65
Life Boat#15: 70/65
Life Boat#16: 56/65
Collapsible A: (Launched improperly, took on water after sinking, 30 men on board, 12 would survive and would be rescued by another boat.)/47
Collapsible B: (Never launched, capsized during sinking, 20 or 30 men would seek refuge on it and be rescued by a returning boat.)/47
Collapsible C: 39/47
Collapsible D: 44/47

Capacity of all the boats combined: 1,178.
Number of people who survived the sinking: 706
Number of people on the ship: 2,223
Capacity of the ship: 3,600.

Wow. Thanks for the breakdown list, Trekker!
 
It's oddly hard to find this detailed information anywhere out there in a concise, clear, list form. The Encyclopedia Titanica used to be really awesome with lots of great information and ways to figure stuff like this out but for the most part that site is broken as it seems to have undergone a re-design and in the process many of the links are broken and the sight less intuitive. There's also, oddly, no well organized, built, and informative Titanic Wiki/a.

Anyway, I found those numbers on a website that seemed to have the info I was looking for though I'm confused on Lifeboat #15 which says it carried off 70 people of its 65 person capacity. This boat was launched a bit later in the evening when the passengers has taken on the seriousness of the situation and were more willing to get on the boat and the crew as well were better instructed to fill the boats to their capacity, and they had more willing occupants. Some places say this boat only had 43 people in it, but that may be people who've been identified over the number in it.

Also, this Lifeboat was involved in the situation where one was almost lowered ontop of the other.
 
Actually there was an excellent reason liftobats were not provided for the entire ship and crew. Up until that time any sinking of a vessel resulted in a large loss of passengers and crew BEFORE they could reach a lifeboat. So it would seem wasteful to provide lifeboats that would (seemingly) never be used.

Something like Titanic HAD to happen to rewrite the rule books.
 
Actually there was an excellent reason liftobats were not provided for the entire ship and crew. Up until that time any sinking of a vessel resulted in a large loss of passengers and crew BEFORE they could reach a lifeboat. So it would seem wasteful to provide lifeboats that would (seemingly) never be used.

I don't think "excellent reason" means what you think it means.
 
Actually there was an excellent reason liftobats were not provided for the entire ship and crew. Up until that time any sinking of a vessel resulted in a large loss of passengers and crew BEFORE they could reach a lifeboat. So it would seem wasteful to provide lifeboats that would (seemingly) never be used.

I don't think "excellent reason" means what you think it means.

It's similar to what happened in the Challenger space shuttle disaster. NASA's conclusion was the space shuttle was as safe as an aircraft, so there was no point to wasting weight and space on the space shuttle for survival suits and parachutes on the small chance of an accident.

Well, guess what was provided after they discovered that (at least) some of the crew survived for minutes after the explosion? Who knows how many survivors we would have from Challenger if they had provided the gear from the beginning? NASA claims none, but regardless, that decision would not have changed without Challenger happening.
 
I've come to the conclusion that darkwing_duck1 believes every single thing he reads, as long as it doesn't contradict jesus-is-savior.com.
 
I do wonder about the authenticity of Louise Patten's account of the sinking since she was born after the death of Charles Lightoller. This is the story that the was told by her grandmother, who reportedly heard it from Lightoller. He did testify at American and British hearings on the sinking and most courts would not really consider the hearsay evidence that the granddaughter offers.

Also, there were numerous accounts from surviving passengers who slept through the initial collision but woke up to realize that the engines had stopped. This doesn't quite clear with Patten's account that Bruce Ismay ordered the ship to keep going after the collision.

Still, it would make a nice twist in a novel, like the one Louise Patten just published.
 
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