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LGBTQIA characters and Bechdel test

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I REALLY doubt this kind of bigotry would be tolerated in Starfleet. It seems even the prejustice against augments is generally... not considered the good part of the society of Federation.

Well of course if someone has risen to the grade of Captain this individual will harldy let it be known he is a misognist or whatever. What I am saying is that it would create a much more interesting character, then just someone who is perfect and have the absolutely correct opinions. By all means it doesn't have to be the wrong opinions, maybe he's simply a drug addict.

There is a semi-secret list in hollywood which states clearly that a hero may not have certain character traits, but imho this really kills creativity.
 
Bechdel herself thought of the test as a protest - a ridiculously low standard that was meant to expose how bad things were in the movie/film industry that they struggled even to meet THAT standard.

As for Julian's parents - as a Dad their description of watching Julian struggle (even though Julian said he was happy) spoke to me. It was a heartfelt action, even if Julian felt it was selfish.
 
Bechdel herself thought of the test as a protest - a ridiculously low standard that was meant to expose how bad things were in the movie/film industry that they struggled even to meet THAT standard.

That's exactly what it is. Don't really get people attacking it for being easy to circumvent (since it's actually supposed to be easy to satisfy, yet is so rarely done).
 
There is nothing about bechdel that has stood the test of time. Outside the inner circle people laugh at this "test". Funny too you say it stood the test of time.. since the 80s... and no I don't feel threatened by it. Is that the best you have? I hope you don't feel threatened by someone ruining the joke that is a bechdel test.
You are factually incorrect and you don't know what you are talking about.
 
And for people who don't understand why some of us harp on this point. In the past it has been LOOK AT HOW GAY THIS CHARACTER IS. DO YOU SEE HOW GAY THEY ARE?! LOOK AT THEM BEING GAY! Which, to me is backwards. It's not that gay people are gay... It's that gay people are people. We are all human beings in this thing called life together, and that should be the objective of Star Trek in terms of what it depicts

Should there be a Pride Day Festival or Rainbow Parade onboard the Discovery? Should one or more of the same sex characters be shown off-duty in "drag" as some contemporary citizens appear today? Are these story avenues to explore?
Or does incidental mean incidental?
 
Should there be a Pride Day Festival or Rainbow Parade onboard the Discovery? Should one or more of the same sex characters be shown off-duty in "drag" as some contemporary citizens appear today? Are these story avenues to explore?
Or does incidental mean incidental?

I really think that Federation is far ahead such things. For the society, where the homophobia is long-forgotten, the gay prides may make sence only as historical reenactment.
 
Is the Discovery a gay-cruise-starship? No? Then we can safely assume that gay pride parades won't be featured much.
 
Should there be a Pride Day Festival or Rainbow Parade onboard the Discovery? Should one or more of the same sex characters be shown off-duty in "drag" as some contemporary citizens appear today? Are these story avenues to explore?
Or does incidental mean incidental?

I could see something coming out of a story where, maybe a sub plot, is about the ship having some kind of a multi-cultural historical exploration of social interactions or something. Like Journey to Babel in a way. Alien species showing their various customs, and the topic of sexuality coming up, and having certain alien species questioning the way that humanity dealt with what was perceived by certain species to be perfectly natural to begin with. I think that could result in some interesting scenes between different characters and give us depth into potentially new alien species, or even a new perspective on some old ones.

How, for example, do you think Vulcans, Klingons, Andorians, Tellarites, would view homosexuality? Would they have religious beliefs on the matter? Could we go to extremes and show that while some species thought it was perfectly natural from the start, others had scientific programs to purge "genetic anomalies" and the horror stories of the past it could bring up? Just some ideas from both extremes of the ideas table that you could throw together for interesting debate.

Though I would be very careful to have anyone be too judgmental in this exchange. You don't want to create a villain out of any of the protagonists or guest characters so much as you want to get people talking and thinking. Similar in nature to any of the discussions Kirk, Spock, and Bones would have on historical events, or the way Sisko and Quark discussed the differences between Human and Ferengi cultures and history.

I hasten to add, also, that this should also be done without making homosexual/bi/trans the central focus, but being part of the whole that is discussed there. That way it comes off as a natural extension of the exchange and discussion.
 
That's exactly what it is. Don't really get people attacking it for being easy to circumvent (since it's actually supposed to be easy to satisfy, yet is so rarely done).

We attack it because this joke has been lifted up as some academic way to seriously measure gender equality. A lot of people think this test is serious and not aware of the fact that it's a joke to begin with.
 
Worf was obviously bigoted against the Romulan people in general, Picard was bigoted against people from the twentieth century. Unless you're going to insist that everyone in the future has the same position on gays, then personal opinions could vary widely among the population. And among the personal aboard a starship.

People are individuals.
Worf hated the Romulans because they killed his parents. Picard was against 20th Century humans because their worldview nearly wiped out the human race and he was mainly annoyed at the one guy who kept acting like nothing had changed. I wouldn't really call that bigotry. Since I doubt anyone would tolerate the backwards behaviors of our ancestors after a certain point. Even then, they still did their jobs.

Someone having the same opinion about gay people in the future makes less sense since they haven't tried wiping anyone out or starting WWIII. Most of them just want to live their lives. If you have a problem with one, that's your issue to deal with. But to hate the whole group is as pointless and stupid as hating people with red hair.
 
Now that the unimportant questions like hero-shipdesign are resolved, we can concentrate on the core topics regarding Star Trek: Discovery! How many LGBTQIA characters will there be? Just one statist to pacify the Internet community, or are they going to put the queerest crew the galaxy has ever seen in charge of the ship? May the Bechdel test even be passed every single episode? What do you think?


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