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LGBTQIA characters and Bechdel test

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If it was a Archie Bunker character, yes, that'd be silly. But othervise it would mean a very deep character. Imagine the hero captain of the ship, saving earth etc etc, but he thinks women shouldn't put a foot on the bridge. That for me would actually mean a much more interesting character then just someone who is perfect.
There's nothing "deep" about being a misogynist troglodyte. Also, a misogynist in the 24th century would being an unbelievable anachronism.
 
But othervise it would mean a very deep character. Imagine the hero captain of the ship, saving earth etc etc, but he thinks women shouldn't put a foot on the bridge.

I REALLY doubt this kind of bigotry would be tolerated in Starfleet. It seems even the prejustice against augments is generally... not considered the good part of the society of Federation.
 
There's nothing "deep" about being a misogynist troglodyte. Also, a misogynist in the 24th century would being an unbelievable anachronism.

We will more than likely to see prejudice against an alien species than against anything that inspires bigotry today. For example, the first Breen in Starfleet that I have been patiently waiting for would probably get a lot of passive aggressive abuse. Women on the bridge...not a problem in a post-feminist post-patriarchal society.
 
We will more than likely to see prejudice against an alien species than against anything that inspires bigotry today. For example, the first Breen in Starfleet that I have been patiently waiting for would probably get a lot of passive aggressive abuse. Women on the bridge...not a problem in a post-feminist post-patriarchal society.
We don't live in a post feminist or post patriarchal society but I agree with your point about ST'S longstanding tradition of "outsourcing" it's prejudice so as to make it believable.
 
We don't live in a post feminist or post patriarchal society but I agree with your point about ST'S longstanding tradition of "outsourcing" it's prejudice so as to make it believable.

We don't, but the people in the Star Trek Universe do. That's who I was referring to.
 
IMHO, the closest analogue of bigotry that Federation society could show is against genetically improved individuals. So... what about some augment crew member? Old-type, Khan-series augment; either re-created in XXIII century, or probably from some remote colony, founded long ago by augments that were more sucsessfull in therms of spaceflight than Khan.

Such character may, actually, represent quite interesting plotlines, even within the Federation society. After all, even in XXIII century augmenst were generally threated with a lot of suspicion...
 
IMHO, the closest analogue of bigotry that Federation society could show is against genetically improved individuals. So... what about some augment crew member? Old-type, Khan-series augment; either re-created in XXIII century, or probably from some remote colony, founded long ago by augments that were more sucsessfull in therms of spaceflight than Khan.

Such character may, actually, represent quite interesting plotlines, even within the Federation society. After all, even in XXIII century augmenst were generally threated with a lot of suspicion...

What's Dr. Bashir, chopped liver?!
 
What's Dr. Bashir, chopped liver?!

He wasn't the "true" augment. He was "modernised" after birth, not designed as superhuman. In his case, this was considered "medical emergency", as I recall.

And I'm talking about "old school" augments, of Khan subtype.
 
He wasn't the "true" augment. He was "modernised" after birth, not designed as superhuman. In his case, this was considered "medical emergency", as I recall.

And I'm talking about "old school" augments, of Khan subtype.

He wasn't a "medical emergency", If it was it wouldn't have been illegal. His original condition wasn't considered poor enough.
 
Why would viewers "want" a bigoted character as a part of their beloved progressive franchise?
Again Worf, the entire Romulan population didn't kill his parents, yet Worf "gets" to be bigoted against Romulans. Worf (to many) is a very popular character.

the gay hero captain of the ship, saving earth etc etc, but he is abusive to his boyfriend and thinks women should never work on a starship
A misogynist bigot male gay captain? That would be something.
 
Dr Bashir's dad was portrayed as a sad little man who had wasted his life and had selfishly interfered with his son's.
 
Again Worf, the entire Romulan population didn't kill his parents, yet Worf "gets" to be bigoted against Romulans. Worf (to many) is a very popular character.

A misogynist bigot male gay captain? That would be something.
Not quite the same. He hates Romulans because his parents were killed by them not just because Romulans are different from Klingons. Bigotry is rooted in the ignorant fear of the other.
 
I stand corrected.

Anyway, he wasn't designed to be a superhuman.

What I'm saying is that they already played out the "Starfleet people have to react to working with an Augment" story. I don't think there's much value in retreading that. Star Trek's scaremongering about genetic engineering has always been a bit weird, like something that first kicked up in "Space Seed" and just gradually snowballed from there into full-blown paranoia about genetic manipulation in general.
 
What I'm saying is that they already played out the "Starfleet people have to react to working with an Augment" story. I don't think there's much value in retreading that. Star Trek's scaremongering about genetic engineering has always been a bit weird, like something that first kicked up in "Space Seed" and just gradually snowballed from there into full-blown paranoia about genetic manipulation in general.

And that paranoia, IMHO, could be quite a good plot device.
 
Sorry but you dont decide that something that has stood the test of time and been proven academically and socially valid isnt just because you feel threatened by it.

There is nothing about bechdel that has stood the test of time. Outside the inner circle people laugh at this "test". Funny too you say it stood the test of time.. since the 80s... and no I don't feel threatened by it. Is that the best you have? I hope you don't feel threatened by someone ruining the joke that is a bechdel test.
 
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