Let's face it, Trek needed this

[T J]

I pity you. It must be so sad to always try to put others down, just to make yourself feel a little better each day.

Save the pity. You're the one who unintentionally exhibits masturbatory fantasies about being a Hollywood powerbroker, not me.

TGT

 

[GodThingFormerly]

I suggest you stop with the personal attacks, bourne of some sad jealousy, and in M'Sharak's immortal words, "Post, not poster."

I merely asked why those of us who do not have a direct financial stake in the film's success are obliged to support it, particularly when it appears to dispense with so much of what made TOS TOS. You are the one who got personal by calling me an "ignorant idiot" without evening telling me why I am an ignorant idiot.

TGT

 

[Sector 7]

I know this thread is not going to make me many friends, but someone has to say it for Star Trek's own good.

The franchise was in the same shape as Battlestar Galactica before Bad Robot took a crack at that too, no movies or shows were in production, all it was selling was late-night reruns and DVD boxed sets. Star Trek was on the chopping block with no prospects. Frankly it just wasn't interesting anymore, the writing was stale and unimaginative, it was not pushing boundaries like it was under Roddenberry, who literately faced persecution as a communist for the stuff he put in TOS during the McCarthy era. The SFX fell well behind in my opinion the second they started using CG instead of models. It was not pushing the envelope of science or even pretending to be based on it like all the old great SciFi's did. And finally its battles sucked. The pilot mini-series of Battlestar Galactica had more wupass than the entirety of Deep Space 9, ships battling in water or space is a timeless romanticized image. I couldn't even stay interested in the multi-thousand ship battles in the Dominion Wars, but the five seconds of the trailer where I heard that cheesy alert klaxon sent chills down my spine.

Bad Robot taking a shot at Star Trek is the best thing that could possibly happen to this franchise, if it has any hope of remaining in production as movies or shows it will be through them. If ST wants to stay in the ring it's got to bring more than it has in the past.

OT: Many of your 'facts' are not facts at all. It ruins a good premise, which is that Star Trek needed new blood, in the form of JJ & Co., to give it new life.
I should have just ignored the personal attacks and kept to topic. I have now corrected that. Iggy is my new friend.

 

[EnderAKH]

I suggest you stop with the personal attacks, bourne of some sad jealousy, and in M'Sharak's immortal words, "Post, not poster."

I merely asked why those of us who do not have a direct financial stake in the film's success are obliged to support it, particularly when it appears to dispense with so much of what made TOS TOS. You are the one who got personal by calling me an "ignorant idiot" without evening telling me why I am an ignorant idiot.

TGT

You have no obligation to support it, any more than the studio has an obligation to support the obsessions of a severely declining fanbase.

 

[Qonos]

I suggest you stop with the personal attacks, bourne of some sad jealousy, and in M'Sharak's immortal words, "Post, not poster."

I merely asked why those of us who do not have a direct financial stake in the film's success are obliged to support it, particularly when it appears to dispense with so much of what made TOS TOS. You are the one who got personal by calling me an "ignorant idiot" without evening telling me why I am an ignorant idiot.

TGT

nobody said you are. Don't want to support it don't, you won't be missed. (that's not an attack, it's the truth. Same as if I didn't go. I wouldn't be missed either.)

 

[USS Mariner]

^Now that's a lie.

I, for one, would miss TGT, Nazism, Racism, and fag-hating included.

 

[Captain X]

See, this is the basic problem with the traditionalist/Trek Orthodoxy mindset, in a nutshell.

And this would be the problem with the mindset a lot of people who like this movie seem to have - criticism equates with religious fundamentalism, because apparently that's the biggest insult people like you can think of.

 

[Jon1701]

Actually, I was asking it of the fans.

And it's a badly framed question, since "the fans" can give you no answer - only four or five million variations of a number of answers.

Never ask the fans...anything. We'd be here till the end of time and we still wouldn't have an answer.

 

[M'Sharak]

I pity you. It must be so sad to always try to put others down, just to make yourself feel a little better each day.

Save the pity. You're the one who unintentionally exhibits masturbatory fantasies about being a Hollywood powerbroker, not me.

TGT

So YOU are my personal stalker? *dials 911* I thought it was just some pathetic perv.... then again... maybe you are? I suggest you stop with the personal attacks, bourne of some sad jealousy, and in M'Sharak's immortal words, "Post, not poster."

The words were not my invention. I merely borrowed them.

Be that as it may, this:

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TGT

And thus spake, presumably, an idiot. As usual, you presume more than you know, which exposes rather severely your ignorance.

...is not at all a good example of that policy in application. In fact, it looks like a pretty clear flame, and will be so warned. When this is taken together with the bits underlined in your other posts quoted, TGT's dig about "masturbatory fantasies" -- while not exactly kosher, granted -- begins to look somewhat mild by comparison.

If I might make a suggestion, Sector 7: your first statement regarding the ownership of the property collectively called Star Trek was fine, but if you cannot respond to a sarcastic comment upon it civilly and while remaining within board rules, it would be better not to respond at all. Sometimes the best thing is just to LET IT GO BY. The escalation here was due in good part to your not doing so.

I'd also recommend, as an aside, that you drop the "Hater's Club" business for good; it really isn't helping anything to answer what you consider negative or taunting language by replying in kind. Be better than that. Be smarter than that. And especially don't call people idiots; I've had more than enough of that sort of thing going on here lately and I'm still working on sorting the last messes out.

 

[M'Sharak]

I can't take you guys anywhere. Closing, while I figure out if anyone else has anything due.

 

[M'Sharak]

^Now that's a lie.

I, for one, would miss TGT, Nazism, Racism, and fag-hating included.

Perhaps you thought you were in TNZ, as opposed to Trek XI, or perhaps you thought you could get away with dragging something from TNZ outside that forum -- it doesn't really matter which -- but this looks very much like trolling, and will be so warned.