Let's face it, Trek needed this

[Battle Geek]

I know this thread is not going to make me many friends, but someone has to say it for Star Trek's own good.

The franchise was in the same shape as Battlestar Galactica before Bad Robot took a crack at that too, no movies or shows were in production, all it was selling was late-night reruns and DVD boxed sets. Star Trek was on the chopping block with no prospects. Frankly it just wasn't interesting anymore, the writing was stale and unimaginative, it was not pushing boundaries like it was under Roddenberry, who literately faced persecution as a communist for the stuff he put in TOS during the McCarthy era. The SFX fell well behind in my opinion the second they started using CG instead of models. It was not pushing the envelope of science or even pretending to be based on it like all the old great SciFi's did. And finally its battles sucked. The pilot mini-series of Battlestar Galactica had more wupass than the entirety of Deep Space 9, ships battling in water or space is a timeless romanticized image. I couldn't even stay interested in the multi-thousand ship battles in the Dominion Wars, but the five seconds of the trailer where I heard that cheesy alert klaxon sent chills down my spine.

Bad Robot taking a shot at Star Trek is the best thing that could possibly happen to this franchise, if it has any hope of remaining in production as movies or shows it will be through them. If ST wants to stay in the ring it's got to bring more than it has in the past.

 

[seigezunt]

Let the stoning begin.


(I agree, btw.)

 

[Ptrope]

Not to put too many fine points on it, but Bad Robot had nothing to do with BSG, and Star Trek was nearly a decade after the end of the McCarthy era (actually, I think it was about the time that Pres. Roosevelt went on TV telling people about the stock market crash ).

J.J. Abrams and Bad Robot are only one approach to Star Trek, but it's quite inaccurate to claim they are the "best" thing that could possibly happen to it. "Wupass" is a dime-a-dozen in movies these days - it hardly distinguishes Star Trek from anything else Abrams has done, or Bruckheimer or Bay, for that matter; all it does is drop Trek directly into the melting pot of generic action movies - right along with Vin Diesel and The Rock (two guys I really like, but let's face it, their movies aren't the thoughtful type, generally).

When was it decided that Star Trek should just be popular, rather than unique?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

The pilot mini-series of Battlestar Galactica had more wupass than the entirety of Deep Space 9, ships battling in water or space is a timeless romanticized image. I couldn't even stay interested in the multi-thousand ship battles in the Dominion Wars, but the five seconds of the trailer where I heard that cheesy alert klaxon sent chills down my spine.

Bad Robot taking a shot at Star Trek is the best thing that could possibly happen to this franchise, if it has any hope of remaining in production as movies or shows it will be through them. If ST wants to stay in the ring it's got to bring more than it has in the past.

Agreed.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Let's face it, Trek needed this

Only if it succeeds.

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Let's face it, Trek needed this

Only if it succeeds.

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Hey, there's all kinds of measures of success. BSG isn't selling many Buicks, but folks like it anyway.

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Let's face it, Trek needed this

Only if it succeeds.

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Hey, there's all kinds of measures of success. BSG isn't selling many Buicks, but folks like it anyway.

And that's exactly what I meant.

At this point, I'll accept any kind of success for the Star Trek franchise: critical, popular, financial, etc.

This franchise is dry as a bone.

 

[Sector 7]

When was it decided that Star Trek should just be popular, rather than unique?

When Paramount, who owns Star Trek, decided to make money on a property they (not the fans) own. No matter how much some fans wish it away, it is still a fact.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

When was it decided that Star Trek should just be popular, rather than unique?

See, this is the basic problem with the traditionalist/Trek Orthodoxy mindset, in a nutshell.

Nothing of this kind is "decided" by fiat or declaration of authority, so such rhetorical questions are badly framed and based on false premises.

These things change, for a lot of reasons - mostly commercial, some creative. They do, however, change or go extinct.

 

[GodThingFormerly]

When Paramount, who owns Star Trek, decided to make money on a property they (not the fans) own. No matter how much some fans wish it away, it is still a fact.

And thus spake, presumably, a majority shareholder of CBS Corporation stock. On the other hand, what do those of us who do not invest heavily in the US media content industry get out of ST:XI?

TGT

 

[Sector 7]

When Paramount, who owns Star Trek, decided to make money on a property they (not the fans) own. No matter how much some fans wish it away, it is still a fact.

And thus spake, presumably, a majority shareholder of CBS Corporation stock. On the other hand, what do those of us who do not invest heavily in the US media content industry get out of ST:XI?

TGT

And thus spake, presumably, an idiot. As usual, you presume more than you know, which exposes rather severely your ignorance.

 

[Ptrope]

See, this is the basic problem with the traditionalist/Trek Orthodoxy mindset, in a nutshell.

Nothing of this kind is "decided" by fiat or declaration of authority, so such rhetorical questions are badly framed and based on false premises

Actually, I was asking it of the fans. And please don't lump me in with your "Trek Orthodoxy" - you know better than that.

 

[GodThingFormerly]

And thus spake, presumably, an idiot. As usual, you presume more than you know, which exposes rather severely your ignorance.

Thank you for (accidentally) answering my question.

TGT

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Actually, I was asking it of the fans.

And it's a badly framed question, since "the fans" can give you no answer - only four or five million variations of a number of answers.

The best of which would be "Since no one ever decided that, the point is moot."

 

[Sector 7]

And thus spake, presumably, an idiot. As usual, you presume more than you know, which exposes rather severely your ignorance.

Thank you for (accidentally) answering my question.

TGT

I pity you. It must be so sad to always try to put others down, just to make yourself feel a little better each day.

 

[DRMidnite]

Let's face it, Trek needed this

Only if it succeeds.

Let's keep our fingers crossed.

Well said.

 

[CaptJimboJones]

I agree with the underlying point that Trek was in need of a fresh approach - heck, I was hoping years back that Enterprise would provide it. (Didn't. Sigh.)

But where, exactly, did this come from?

it was not pushing boundaries like it was under Roddenberry, who literately faced persecution as a communist for the stuff he put in TOS

What persecution did he "literally" face other than making a lot of money and being acclaimed as a genius by legions of fans?

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Roddenberry was never "persecuted as a communist."

Hey, if this movie turns out to be the last two hours of "Star Trek" ever produced just think of it as the studio's 150 million dollar atonement for "These Are The Voyages."

 

[GodThingFormerly]

I pity you. It must be so sad to always try to put others down, just to make yourself feel a little better each day.

Save the pity. You're the one who unintentionally exhibits masturbatory fantasies about being a Hollywood powerbroker, not me.

TGT

 

[Sector 7]

I pity you. It must be so sad to always try to put others down, just to make yourself feel a little better each day.

Save the pity. You're the one who unintentionally exhibits masturbatory fantasies about being a Hollywood powerbroker, not me.

TGT

So YOU are my personal stalker? *dials 911* I thought it was just some pathetic perv.... then again... maybe you are? I suggest you stop with the personal attacks, bourne of some sad jealousy, and in M'Sharak's immortal words, "Post, not poster."