Let save Startrek by storming our brain and get new ideas

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: Let save Startrek by storming our brain and get new ide

Ive always wanted a Trek series set in the 25th Century about an advanced Fed starship on an exploration mission deep into unexplored Alpha Quadrant space beyond cardassian territory, the ship would have experimental/prototype transwarp capability and have the new transphasic torpedoes and batmobile armour (for continuity sake) and have a very cool unique design.

The main character would be Captain Christoff Bennett, he was born in 1980 to a human father but an El Aurian Mother who visited the planet Earth, fell in love and decided to stay. History wise he fought in the 3rd world war, fought in the Earth Romulan war as captain of an NX class ship, aided Jonathan Archer in the forming of the United Federation of Planets, had a hand in the founding of section 31 and inflicted heavy losses on the Dominion, he has been an important figure in federation history for centuries, as an important person with powerful influence within starfleet he was given the go ahead by starfleet command to design and construct his new state of the art starship at the San francisco shipyard utilising new phased polaron pulse technology as well as phasers and transphasic torpedos, batmobile armour, Multiphasic regenerative cellular shielding and transwarp.

The series would generally be about exploration but a new enemy is discovered, an energy being of unimaginable power is accidently freed from a laboratory on a devastated planet and it takes Bennett as a host, the being uses his body as a conductor for its powers, shooting lightning from his fingers, becoming impervious to energy weapons, shooting energy from his eyes etc, its goal is to open a rupture in space to allow others of its kind into the galaxy from another dimension, a dimension who's universe is on the verge of collapse, the knowledge Christoff holds is devastating against the Federation and klingons etc as the energy being goes about inciting war, in a 3 part finale the crew of the Hephaestus class Starship USS Hephaestus must save Captain Christoff and stop the energy being from creating a dimensional tear and destroying all races in the galaxy, even Q gets involved out of curiosity but is killed by an energy bolt from the energy being when he tries to interfere, proving the energy beings of the other dimension are imperveous to the interference of the Q and can kill them.

 

[SlyCardie]

Re: Let save Startrek by storming our brain and get new ide

Q killed?! Nooooooo...

 

[hellsgate]

Re: Let save Startrek by storming our brain and get new ide

Fire: Quite an interesting idea. Though, just out of curiosity, how would you plan to contain / defeat this new enemy, especially considering the Dominion, Borg & Q aren't enough to do the job of keeping the initial rift into our universe/dimension closed?

[*] Secondly, wouldn't a fledgling Starfleet be slightly interested in a nearly immortal being that long-lived & want him contained, studied, scanned and/or dissected.

[*] If I were that long-lived, WHY would I keep sticking my nose into areas that'll draw unnecessary attention to myself? Haven't you seen "E.T." with a very very very young Drew Barrymore?

[*] Plus, even if the military weren't interested in some answers, wouldn't the 20th/21st Century media hound the poor bastard endlessly?

[*] If not by Starfleet Command, then by a race of 20th/21st Century Humans that would become VERY interested in learning why he didn't die during or immediately after WW3 from radiation poisoning (considering all the technical work you're saying he's been involved in for whatever nation-state military,) or the various diseases, STD's, projectile-weapons or focused energy skirmishes in the meantime? No-one's that lucky, to survive all that without being noticed.

[*] It's always been my belief that the El Aurians had (to some informal degree) their own version of the (NX-01 Era) Vulcans' "non-interference" criteria. To never make themselves part of a story, just like it's taught to journalists. Just report the facts. Don't be involved in creating them.

[*] I could see a Gary Seven / Aegis connection. The El Aurian woman you've mentioned is on Earth to monitor & log the chronicles of an evolving society, imminently approaching a new golden era. But something in a "blind spot" of the records the El Aurian Woman is there to fill in, goes awry or an agent of the Aegis goes rogue in the name of love & is thereby banned from returning to the Aegis.

Using what little the rogue agent knows of the destroyed cities & The Big One upon arrival on Earth, he goes into hiding with his El Aurian bride & their son until the Nuclear Winter subsides. The adventures begin there, perhaps.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Re: Let save Startrek by storming our brain and get new ide

It's meant to parallel our issues today, as all good sci-fi should: working conditions, illegal labor, exporting production, depleted resources and the need for expansion, fuel costs, etc.

That conflicts with the already-established premise of Star Trek, that the Federation is one big hippie-commie paradise. There were some non-commie economic details in TOS (references to people being paid, fighting with Klingons etc over resources like dilithium crystals) but that vanished entirely as of TNG. My theory is that the replicator, a magic box which can make anything your heart desires, apparently for free, killed off capitalism for good and ushered in an era of complete abundance and economic happiness.

They even had to invent a currency called latinum that was un-replicatable in order for the Ferengi to have something to trade (encased in worthless gold, no less.) And any civilization that has faster-than-light travel certainly doesn't have to worry about fuel costs. Imagine how much ENERGY those engines require - ditto for the transporters. They must have solved their energy problems or the Federation wouldn't exist.

The point about Section 31 is valid, but those guys operate outside the Federation in order to squelch external threats. No Federation citizen would be a threat since they live in one big hippie-commie paradise. That also means there's no motive for civil war.

The show you're describing sounds like a series the Sci Fi Channel is working on called Revolution. That might be good, but that story just isn't Star Trek, so why try to shoehorn it into the Star Trek mold? Name it something else and get on with it. Not everything can or should be Star Trek.

One way to do the resource-issue thing in the Star Trek framework is to ignore the precident set by ENT and decide Earth has real resource problems in the 22nd C. That might make an excellent reason for the Enterprise to start exploring - finding exploitable planets! After all, greed has been the driving force in human exploration from the beginning. It's only Star Trek and NASA that pretends differently. It would be refreshing to see a not-so-enlightened Starfleet like you're describing, but they'd have to be well before TOS and especially TNG's sanitized times. I was hoping ENT would do that, but really there wasn't even a whiff of it till S4.

 

[Brainsucker]

Re: Let save Startrek by storming our brain and get new ide

Just tell us your idea, so we can ensure Paramount that Startrek is not dead, and there are a lot of stories that can be made and loved by fans from this universe

To answer Frosty the Vorta :
- Yes of course Federation is a gigantic happily ever after kingdom that can make every citizens they have happy. But, thats because they have that's level of power and economy to make everyone happy.
- But what if the core of the economy foundation belong to Federation colaps. What if the members of Federation quit from the memberships one by one. What if after the Dominion Wars Federation lost their influence in the quardrant ? What if after the economy fall people can't adapt to the new lifestyle that tougher than their previous life style ? And what if major players in Federation ( like Vulcan ) decide to quit from Federation membership ?
- If something that very basic in Federation colaps and Federation can't substains their need, won't some extreme political power raise and make the political atmosphere in Federation become hot and hotter ?
- But, everyone have their taste . So don't be bother by this idea if you don't like it. Just tell us your idea, maybe someone can give us some new fresh idea that loved by everyone.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

Re: Let save Startrek by storming our brain and get new ide

hellsgate said:
Fire: Quite an interesting idea. Though, just out of curiosity, how would you plan to contain / defeat this new enemy, especially considering the Dominion, Borg & Q aren't enough to do the job of keeping the initial rift into our universe/dimension closed?

The mergeing of bennett and the energy being allows bennett to have access to the 'knowledge' of the energy being including knowledge on how to defeat it, during the opening of the rupture the energy being must use immense amounts of its own energy to power the starship sized rupture opening device to succeed in creating the rupture which gives bennett the opportunity to temporarily gain control of his own body, he manages to verbally communicate to his ships crew who are onboard the device attempting to stop the being and explains only one other being in the universe can stop it, the bajoran prophets, he tells the crew to contact Deep Space Nine and try to communicate with Benjamin Sisko by sending the defiant into the wormhole, the Hephaestus continues to open fire on the device but to no avail, just as the rupture opens a wormhole apears in front of it releases an energy beam that closes the rupture, onboard the rupture device Sisko battles Bennett who is back under the control of the being, Sisko wins, the energy being is killed and Bennett is freed from its control.

[*] Secondly, wouldn't a fledgling Starfleet be slightly interested in a nearly immortal being that long-lived & want him contained, studied, scanned and/or dissected.

Starfleet isnt formed until after first contact with the Vulcans and probably not till after a single world government is formed, theres no reason to believe Starfleet would want to study him, its a bit silly making contact with aliens yet studying just one of them in a lab because he lives longer than humans, even Vulcans live longer than humans.

[*] If I were that long-lived, WHY would I keep sticking my nose into areas that'll draw unnecessary attention to myself? Haven't you seen "E.T." with a very very very young Drew Barrymore?

Why not stick your nose in? why should he keep himself locked up in a room? Its easy enough to protect yourself by simply changing your identity until the time is safe to come clean, think highlaner.

[*] Plus, even if the military weren't interested in some answers, wouldn't the 20th/21st Century media hound the poor bastard endlessly?

Why would they even know about him? by the time he was in his 40's people would just assume he looked young for his age, the 3rd world war was in 2053 and he could quite easily steal someones identity to fight in the war, his mother might have fetched some El Aurian technology to easily forge Earth documents.

[*] If not by Starfleet Command, then by a race of 20th/21st Century Humans that would become VERY interested in learning why he didn't die during or immediately after WW3 from radiation poisoning (considering all the technical work you're saying he's been involved in for whatever nation-state military,) or the various diseases, STD's, projectile-weapons or focused energy skirmishes in the meantime? No-one's that lucky, to survive all that without being noticed.

If everybody died after the 3rd world war there'd be no human race left so I dont understand why anybody would be shocked why he isnt dead after the war, also I never said he did loads of work for the millitary I simply said he fought in the war ie. he was a soldier, (just for the record, his parents got killed in the war from a nuclear blast). After the war I can safely assume most records of peoples identitys got wiped out when citys got wiped out from nukes, following the war and first contact in 2063 etc he joined starfleet when it was first created and came clean that he was half alien after which the Vulcans confirmed he was half El Aurian, he eventually became captain of an NX class ship and so on. As I said he helped form the Federation and was very influential in Federation history.

[*] It's always been my belief that the El Aurians had (to some informal degree) their own version of the (NX-01 Era) Vulcans' "non-interference" criteria. To never make themselves part of a story,

Thats just your opinion really, if a trek story calls for it there no reason why an El Aurian couldnt decide to stay on Earth. Guinan visited many times centurys before hand.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Re: Let save Startrek by storming our brain and get new ide

Brainsucker said:
Just tell us your idea, so we can ensure Paramount that Startrek is not dead

I don't understand this. It's not dead. Paramount is producing a new movie as we speak.

The best way to show Paramount that Star Trek isn't dead is to go see the movie.

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Re: Let save Startrek by storming our brain and get new ide

But what if the core of the economy foundation belong to Federation colaps.

You'd have to come up with a technological reason for why the replicators, transporters and warp drive on which their civilization depends cease to function, or are greatly diminished. No idea how you could do this without changing the laws of physics or creating some very unlikely excuse, but it would certainly explain how everything could fall apart very quickly and why all these evolved people, deprived of their technological security blanket, would be at each others' throats.

It's a sobering thought to realize that the Federation depends on technology for its survival. That makes me wonder if the Borg could somehow be involved - instead of stupidly just assimilating everyone like mindless zombies (which doesn't seem to work for them vis a vis the Federation) they could evolve into something far more insidious, capable of destroying or subverting all the technology that the Federation depends on. Or maybe invent another enemy like that.

My own personal favorite idea is to go back to the beginning of ENT and do it right: Birth of the Federation. Basically the idea of a non-evolved, greed-driven, resource-hungry, fractuous human race that makes its first foray into space in order to establish trading routes, not for any particularly noble purpose, but because Earth is still plagued with hunger, poverty and disease and the Enterprise's mission has a real, concrete purpose - not just a "nice idea."

Starfleet is much more military than in Kirk's time. The crew is sharp and savvy and not one iota naive. Mayweather, as a Boomer, knows more about the wild west of outer space than his Earthling cohorts and is cocky and slightly contemptuous of them. The Vulcans aren't dicks, but rather cautious for perfectly good reason, knowing that space is nasty and dangerous, and everyone is more powerful than poor little Earth.

The story will be how this small, unpreposessing planet manages to help found the Federation (driven by mutual defense more than noble ideas) and how humanity takes the first tentative steps towards being evolved. The great mystery of Star Trek is how the nasty human race of the 21st C evolved into Roddenberry's paragons of virtue, and I'd like to see a plausible explanation - the events might be dark and nasty, but since we know where it all ends up, it would be as ennobling a theme as any Trek's ever had.

Based on extensive conversations thru the years in the ENT forum, this idea has a lot of supporters, tho how that would have translated into ratings is anyone's guess. When Manny Coto took over in S4, he actually started doing some of what I've described, but by then the show was effectively cancelled and it was all too late.

I don't understand this. It's not dead. Paramount is producing a new movie as we speak.

Paramount has the idea most likely to successfully reinvigorate the franchise. Fall of the Federation, Birth of the Federation, Post-Dominion War, All-Klingon Series, shows starring various characters like Riker or Sulu and the rest of the usual suspects that people here continually yak about might be fun to see, but the great unwashed masses will just look at em and think why the fuck should I care? For that you need to say "Kirk. Spock. Enterprise." Because THAT is what the unwashed masses recognize and will respond to. Trek XI is the idea most likely to make non-fans take notice. If that doesn't work, I honestly don't know what will (assuming the movie isn't a total botch).

Nonetheless, that shouldn't stop us from coming up with ideas for AFTER Paramount has done the dirty work of getting Trek back on its feet.

 

[Starbreaker]

Re: Let save Startrek by storming our brain and get new ide

I've never heard of Startrek.

Star Trek on the other hand...

 

[vamperalmighty]

Re: Let save Startrek by storming our brain and get new ide

the idea that i think would possibly work really well and i would love to see would be set in the 26th century, during the tempral era of exploration, honestly i think just having people jump forward and backwards in time is too much like quantum leap but if you have them investigate new and inventive species and phenomenon weekly you could have some good tv, every week they would investigate things like the overseer, or planet eater, other things that are larger than imagination, and to mix it up add another galaxy, remember we are currently only looking at the milkyway galaxy, one galaxy of billions of trillions, im sure there is a story somewhere.

/sorry about spelling and grammar, insomnia is killing me

 

[ALF]

Re: Let save Startrek by storming our brain and get new ide

Let's save Star Trek by jumping out a window.

"worst window ever!" - Comic Book Guy

 

[SlyCardie]

Re: Let save Startrek by storming our brain and get new ide

Frosty the Vorta said:

It's meant to parallel our issues today, as all good sci-fi should: working conditions, illegal labor, exporting production, depleted resources and the need for expansion, fuel costs, etc.

That conflicts with the already-established premise of Star Trek, that the Federation is one big hippie-commie paradise. There were some non-commie economic details in TOS (references to people being paid, fighting with Klingons etc over resources like dilithium crystals) but that vanished entirely as of TNG. My theory is that the replicator, a magic box which can make anything your heart desires, apparently for free, killed off capitalism for good and ushered in an era of complete abundance and economic happiness.

They even had to invent a currency called latinum that was un-replicatable in order for the Ferengi to have something to trade (encased in worthless gold, no less.) And any civilization that has faster-than-light travel certainly doesn't have to worry about fuel costs. Imagine how much ENERGY those engines require - ditto for the transporters. They must have solved their energy problems or the Federation wouldn't exist.

The point about Section 31 is valid, but those guys operate outside the Federation in order to squelch external threats. No Federation citizen would be a threat since they live in one big hippie-commie paradise. That also means there's no motive for civil war.

The show you're describing sounds like a series the Sci Fi Channel is working on called Revolution. That might be good, but that story just isn't Star Trek, so why try to shoehorn it into the Star Trek mold? Name it something else and get on with it. Not everything can or should be Star Trek.

One way to do the resource-issue thing in the Star Trek framework is to ignore the precident set by ENT and decide Earth has real resource problems in the 22nd C. That might make an excellent reason for the Enterprise to start exploring - finding exploitable planets! After all, greed has been the driving force in human exploration from the beginning. It's only Star Trek and NASA that pretends differently. It would be refreshing to see a not-so-enlightened Starfleet like you're describing, but they'd have to be well before TOS and especially TNG's sanitized times. I was hoping ENT would do that, but really there wasn't even a whiff of it till S4.

I understand your concern about conflicting with the more recent Trek atmosphere of the Federation being a hippie-commie paradise, but I think DS9 gave us a glimpse of some of the underlying issues that make that veneer of paradise possible (Section 31, underhanded tactics to bring in the Romulans, religious issues, etc.). IMO these can be expanded upon.

Certainly there are aspects to the Federation that make it a paradise to the common citizen: plenty of food, replicators for simple everyday products, and climate-control. But my impression on DS9 was that there were other goods that couldn't simply pop into existence, like dilithium.

Here's my premise in more particular terms: during the Dominion War, Starfleet needed to acquire a great deal of resources. Some became more difficult to acquire than others during the course of the conflict, and the Federation quickly brought some star systems into the fold to counteract this, glossing over some of their normal procedures. It was a do-or-die time for the Federation, so I could see something like that happening. 25 years after the end of Deep Space Nine, the issues that were glossed over with these planets (their culture, religion, and power structure) become big issues, and those star systems cause the revolt. Certainly citizens of the established Federation planets have no reason to cause a civil war.

I think this could certainly fit into the Star Trek universe, but if you feel that it doesn't belong in the Trek Roddenberry envisioned, that's certainly a valid sentiment, and perhaps you were right. Still, I think it would make for interesting sci-fi.